Originally Posted by OccultHawk

Not very familiar with anything pre 90's?

Originally Posted by Ki

Is there such thing as cis-punk? And if so, is it a male or female?

Originally Posted by PunkBunny

I sense sarcasm, no?

Your avatar is quite amusing by the way, if I might add.

Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

Post-Punk evolved out of Punk, Alternative Rock evolved out of Post-Punk. Although it has taken on its own identity, Alternative Rock and Indie Rock are definitely derivative to Punk to some extent. They are essentially punk that focuses more on melodies than rhythm and riffing.

However, I don't think you'll really "get it" unless you look back on how all this stuff formed.

First off, I don't know if you'll even consider the Ramones punk by your standards, but they were the supposed originators of the genre as it was in New York. If you've never heard their stuff, here's a taste:


Their sound was based more on groove and poppy riffs, and was definitely one of the catalysts for the post-punk genre. On the other side of the pond, the Sex Pistols were originating their own style of punk, less based on pop, and more hard-hitting and anarchic:


After these two bands, many more Punk and Punk-inspired bands started popping up. There was a bit of an underground powerhouse in fact, back in the early days of punk. Because the sound of the scene was not set in stone yet, many bands began very quickly branching away from the basic foundation of punk. One of those directions was hardcore punk. After all, if we could have loud, fast, and heavy-hitting bands, why couldn't we have louder, faster, and heavier-hitting bands like these:


These bands and their sound obviously evolved into the punk sound of today, so then where does post-punk fit in?

You know how punk was really loud, heavy and fast? There were some who enjoyed the simple chord patterns and melodies, but not the fast tempos and the extreme distortion. These bands very quickly went from punkier:

and then split off in way too many directions to count:


So where did post-punk go? Well, as for itself, it pretty much disappeared after the early 80s. However, it's legacy is obvious:


Anyways, back to the topic. Why is post-punk considered punk?

The answer: It really isn't. It's just like how you wouldn't consider metal to be rock just because one evolved from the other. Post-punk evolved from punk, and ended up becoming so significant that it became its own unique "genre", before imploding on itself and spawning the music scene of the 80s and 90s.

Originally Posted by PunkBunny

You know, I guess really I'm confused because I'm so caught up in the Hardcore and Emocore scene, which just like post-punk, had been heavily influenced by classic punk rock. But nonetheless I grew up with bands like Green Day, Anti-Flag, and AFI which are baseline punk rock and they all definitely emulated the styles that the Ramones formed along with Black flag and Misfits and etc. The Ramones I guess tried to be unique though with a more poppy kind of punk and BOOM post-punk was born and then shat upon by countless of bands which added bull**** like glam and funk into the mix which really threw everything out of proportions.

But thank you for that presentation though, that was actually very helpful. It all makes vivid sense now.

Originally Posted by PunkBunny

So I grew up listening to modern punk rock, pop punk, skate punk, emo, hardcore etc. (I'm 20) and so I'm not very familiar with anything that came before the mid to late 90s. So I know punk in general has been around as long as the other rock genres that we all know and worship, but what really confuses me is the relation between punk and post-punk... Could someone please explain to me why "post-punk" contains the word "punk" when it doesn't really resemble the "punk" I know and love. Post-punk sounds like it belongs under Alternative rock along with indie rock and garage rock and gothic rock etc. Punk is not an alternative rock subgenre, so then why does this "post-punk" even coexist?

Originally Posted by William_the_Bloody

I think the bigger question is why are young indie kids still listening to punk? or metal or rap for that reason? Mabey it's the state of the music industry, but it would be nice to see youth of today come up with something completely original.

Originally Posted by Suzy Creamcheese

Are you serious with this shit? Punk, metal, and rap were all derivative of earlier music. All music is derivative of what has come before it, and there's nothing wrong with that.

Music isn't like technology. It's not like old music suddenly becomes worthless and obsolete when new stuff pops up. Whether new or old, it's all just a collection of sounds that different people enjoy being arranged in different ways. "The youth of today" shouldn't be shamed for finding what they like and listening to it, regardless of it's age or "originality".

Originally Posted by TechnicLePanther

I think his point was that there's no real "underground" music scene anymore. I say, I would consider all this weird meme music (vaporwave, chillwave, etc.) could be called that.