Why is "Post-Punk" even considered "Punk"?

**Frownland** · 07-01-2016, 09:08 AM

How many albums did they listen to though? I only need an estimate.

Dylstew · 07-02-2016, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

The amateuristic DIY thing IS punk

You're getting it wrong thinking punk ever even referred to a specific sound

What do The Damned, Television, and Ramones have in common sound wise?

Basically nothing.

Amateuristic, Simple, (often rather monotone), fast paced, raw, straight to the point/brief music inspired by amateuristic Rock N' Roll bands in order to go back to basics?

I know the DIY and amateuristic thing IS a Punk thing, that's why I said ''still has going on'', you don't need to clarify it. I mean, the amateurism is even in the name. But Punk Rock definitely has a general sound, often with very similar riffing. Hardcore Punk has a sound. Skate Punk has a sound, etc. That those early bands sound different (I think at least, I wasn't there) has more to do with that the genre wasn't fully established yet. I mean, Talking Heads were considered as Punk as the Ramones, despite sounding completely different. What you're doing is almost (It's not the exact same) like saying Powerviolence has no specific sound because Man is the Bastard sounds nothing like Charles Bronson.

OccultHawk · 07-02-2016, 09:14 AM

I know the Talking Heads were part of that NYC scene and you can say as punk as Television but not the Ramones. I don't think that's true.

OccultHawk · 07-02-2016, 11:25 AM

I respect that opinion. But when defining origins all must bow. The Ramones are the Creator. The best. The purest. The hooks that remain. Most High. All Praise.

OccultHawk · 07-02-2016, 11:42 AM

No. They're deity. I worship them because they are Gods. So should you.

**Frownland** · 07-02-2016, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor

I love Ramones but the holding them up on a pedestal is ironic when we're talking about bands who's whole goal was to burn the sacred cows of their time

Death to the cliches of rock music

Death to punk cliches?

Dylstew · 07-02-2016, 01:29 PM

I got to admit I quickly wrote that and have never listened to television, but I tink the Ramomed and the Damned have quite a bit in common, at least their early work, which admittedly is their only work I actually listen to. But I just heavily disagree punk doesn't have sounds, it has them just like metal. In fact, if there's one genre with a bajillion bands that sound the same, it's Punk.

OccultHawk · 07-02-2016, 01:38 PM

Metal has splintered into an infinity of diversity

Punk had its brilliance up front

But metal has had its brilliance in perpetuity

Blank. · 07-02-2016, 09:33 PM

I don't know enough about post-punk to comment on that.

But punk definitely has a sound. I don't think it's an attitude. I mean, you could match that same attitude to some metal bands and rock bands. Godsmack did a bit of the DIY in their early days. Would you call the early Godsmack stuff punk? I wouldn't. And if you said they are, I'd say your ****ing dumb for claiming they are.

Punk rock is without a doubt a sound. To claim it's not is absurd to be frank.

OccultHawk · 07-02-2016, 09:51 PM

I agree. It's a sound. Like any major genre it covers a wide spectrum. On the other hand, it does have a definitive core.

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Dylstew Music Addict Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,366	I got to admit I quickly wrote that and have never listened to television, but I tink the Ramomed and the Damned have quite a bit in common, at least their early work, which admittedly is their only work I actually listen to. But I just heavily disagree punk doesn't have sounds, it has them just like metal. In fact, if there's one genre with a bajillion bands that sound the same, it's Punk. Last edited by Dylstew; 07-02-2016 at 01:37 PM.

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	I know the Talking Heads were part of that NYC scene and you can say as punk as Television but not the Ramones. I don't think that's true.

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	I respect that opinion. But when defining origins all must bow. The Ramones are the Creator. The best. The purest. The hooks that remain. Most High. All Praise.

07-02-2016, 11:42 AM	#65 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	No. They're deity. I worship them because they are Gods. So should you.

07-02-2016, 01:38 PM	#68 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	Metal has splintered into an infinity of diversity Punk had its brilliance up front But metal has had its brilliance in perpetuity

07-02-2016, 09:33 PM	#69 (permalink)
Blank. Jacob Sartorius Join Date: May 2016 Location: Dank memes Posts: 4,034	I don't know enough about post-punk to comment on that. But punk definitely has a sound. I don't think it's an attitude. I mean, you could match that same attitude to some metal bands and rock bands. Godsmack did a bit of the DIY in their early days. Would you call the early Godsmack stuff punk? I wouldn't. And if you said they are, I'd say your ****ing dumb for claiming they are. Punk rock is without a doubt a sound. To claim it's not is absurd to be frank.

07-02-2016, 09:51 PM	#70 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	I agree. It's a sound. Like any major genre it covers a wide spectrum. On the other hand, it does have a definitive core.