I've seen video footage.

It looked like a Vienna sausage, so I'm assuming that he was a fan of the speed.

Nothing will shrink a dick like meth

*speculates wildly*

Well yeah, its a vasoconstrictor iirc.

Heads and Fall influence on the sleeve while still having its own identity, bomb as ****.

^fantastic!

Very topical pf

Project: Mersh - Minutemen

Purely savage Belgian metalcore.

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Loose Nut by Black Flag

Have you ever checked this one out, bat?

Alan Vega's solo stuff is nice but it's kinda like if Ted Bundy went on to release Gamergate anti-feminist videos. Entertaining but god damn dude I was expecting so much more on the subject.

Will give it a try.

Thee Dickies

You’re very favorite band of all time?

The debut is pretty solid throughout

I'm opening my ledger and chalking up another good grace point for you, elph.

I love the Sound. Particularly their debut album and 'From the Lion's Mouth'. Although, they're definitely a post-punk band. I wish this place was more active so we could have a separate section for post-punk. The Sound wasn't an innovator, but they knew very well how to craft a great tune. It's unfortunate how Adrian Borland met his end though.



I think perhaps their most moving song though is 'Total Recall'.

Eh, I don't know. Maybe between proto-punk and punk, I'd agree. They classify The Stooges as proto-punk (and who else? -- the New York Dolls, Television, etc?), but is there reallly that much of a difference, sonically?

But, if I listen to the Pistols and Joy Division, there's a distinct difference there.

Pere Ubu exist to undermine this argument.

Yeah never forget that "punk" doesn't exist. It's a media term invented to put a certain group of artists into a box to sell the idea of their being one cohesive thing to an audience. The only real difference with punk is that it was a sort of spark point where, rather than just being a handful of artists connected only through influence, they were part of various scenes that were happening at the same time. "Punk" is just a snapshot of specific bands in a specific time period in the evolution of non-mainstream rock music. It doesn't actually have any inherent meaning except in deliberately drawing conclusions based on perceived similarities and interactions between the artists.

Chronologically they're proto-punk but they sound quite post-punk to me

Ah, genre definition debates, the crème de la crème of MusicBanter discussions. Can we do grunge next? Or is that not punk enough?

Who gives a **** about grunge genre debates? I mean who the **** really needs to know if Screaming Trees are actually the same genre as Gruntruck?

Oh and btw I wouldn't really be willing to call The Cars a favorite band but they've got god tier pop hooks.

Lol. The classic prog-rock bands had already proven that experimental, even alien sounding music could sell and build audiences independent of whatever pop flavor of the month was charting. Punk was a reaction to that and disco.

I thought prog proved that audiences didn't actually want the natural progression of Cream and Jimmie Hendrix because prog didn't actually sell well.

Yes's Close To Edge had over 450,000 pre-orders before it was released in 1972. Took it until 1998 to break 1 million sales though. And I think Emerson, Lake & Palmer sold way more than that.

So one album didn't go platinum, and another sold something or other, and how much did other prog albums sell? Cause unless prog had a bunch of high selling albums then prog failed commercially.

Well, Rush's 2112 also broke 500k plus sales well into 1977, which was supposedly when punk was on the rise. So I think progressive rock must have been perceived as doing pretty good between all the big names over that ten year period, otherwise there wouldn't have been such a backlash.

Sex Pistols had mad skill as musicians though

What's kind of funny is that some guys who loved groups like Wire and Suicide and PIL and also Pink Floyd and Genesis basically birthed neo-prog around the same time New Wave was getting big.

Did you just list three albums over the course of a decade that didn't go platinum as proof of prog's commercial success?

You are the one who said "unless prog had a bunch of high selling albums then prog failed commercially." Why are you making an album going Platinum your bare minimum requirement? If that's what you are going for, Michael Jackson's Thriller is the only album worth mentioning from the last forty years because it outsold everything else by a wide margin. Everyone is basically a commercial failure compared to that.

2112 is triple platinum

You might be surprised how much you'd like some neo-prog. here and there or maybe Van Der Graaf Generator.

As a big fan of both genres who respects their philosophies and cultural influences, you're both wrong and you should feel bad about that.

You could practice for a 1000 years and never have Steve Jones’ chops.

Wrong + Wrong = Right

Care to explain my take on what the first mainstream underground movement was?

Hygiene and trim style are important, but the best mutton chops are genetic.

All the cool kids in my school listened to Gentle Giant.