Unrelenting

I don't understand the lil wayne hate. His rhymes can be silly, but he's entertaining

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Kirby

He gets more hate than a lot of people, because he's been the self-proclaimed "Best" for a while now, when he's nowhere near it.

He's also overhyped, and all of that jazz.

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pourmeanother

You wonder why nobody is seeing where you're coming from- it's because you are arguing matters of opinion.

I can sit here and argue that blue is the greatest color of all ****ing time. That doesn't make it so. Is there some way of determining which color is "best"? Is it best because MY criteria is "colors that fall between green and indigo on the spectrum"? Is it best because I say it is, and that's the be all/end all opinion of the World?

"Eminem sucks now because he made a song with the words 'I want to facking cum' and I didn't like it so now he sucks and everybody should believe that if not you're an idiot who knows nothing".

We get your point. Your OPINION is that Eminem was good before Eminem Show, started declining, and terrible from Encore on. That doesn't mean everybody is going to share the same opinion... and no amount of barraging people is going to sway them from their own laurels.

It's a valid opinion, just not universal.

YOU feel that word play, and a variety of other rhyming devices, is the sole decider of who a good rapper is. That's fine. You just have to recognize "good" is a subjective term. What constitutes good and bad is going to be different from person to person. Some people might like his emotion, his influence, his production, his delivery, his sweet haircut makes him good... it doesn't matter, it's what they think.

It's cool to debate these things and offer up our opinions- but this thread is becoming FUKING STUPID and cluttered! I suggest somebody makes a "troll about rapping" thread, and anytime somebody wants to go off on a rant they can do so in there-- that way I don't have to read 5 pages of bitching about opinions just to find one ****ing post where somebody proclaims Soulja Boy in their bottom 3. It's been happening in every thread.

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Captain Awesome

It's not opinion. Liking them is opinion. I still like eminem but he's not a good rapper. It's fact, you can't argue fact. Saying eminem is a good lyricist now is like saying the sun doesn't exist.

Whether or not i like him or his style now is 100% opinion and totally irrelevant to what makes him a good rapper. But being good lyrically isn't opinion. It's fact. It's a technical issue. I really don't like Big L but he is/was without a doubt one of the greatest lyricists rap has ever seen. If someone asked me if he was a good rapper i would say yes, he was a strong lyricist. That is fact, denying it is like denying evolution. But i still don't enjoy listening to him.

All i'm saying is that as a lyricist eminem has fallen off big time and is very weak (this is undeniable fact, if you know anything about lyricism you'll swallow your pride and agree).

Whether or not his music is catchy or entertaining or if you enjoy it is completely your opinion and i don't mind, everyone is entitled to have one.

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I echo through the mountain when I'm singing in the air,
from my lab a lad with lavish lyrics living in his lair."


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pourmeanother

Define 'good'. Also, please share the uniform standard for determining 'good' that we are all agreeing on.

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Captain Awesome

you obviously don't understand what i'm trying to say. I'm talking specifically about how good a lyricist he is. There is no opinion involved in that. Either someone is or isn't a good lyricist. It's pretty simple (if you know anything about lyricism)

It's like debating whether or not Jimi Hendrix was a good guitarist. He clearly was, there is no opinion involved. Whether you liked his music or enjoyed listening to him as a guitarist is completely opinion. But it is fact that he is/was good at what he does.

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"If we're all merely players in a play on this great stage,
the problem is the script writers ain't on the same page,
I echo through the mountain when I'm singing in the air,
from my lab a lad with lavish lyrics living in his lair."


"Wake up and listen, hear what's not for the public's ears
Pinocchio poets played by profiting puppeteers"

someonecompletelyrandom

The problem stems from saying Eminem isn't a good rapper and saying it's fact. That can easily be mistaken for opinion and cause a lot of confusion. Saying he isn't a technically talented rapper might work better. In any case I get it.

Captain Awesome

yeah i did mention technically a few times but i've made so many posts about this now they've probably been overlooked. I'm glad at least one person understands.

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"If we're all merely players in a play on this great stage,
the problem is the script writers ain't on the same page,
I echo through the mountain when I'm singing in the air,
from my lab a lad with lavish lyrics living in his lair."


"Wake up and listen, hear what's not for the public's ears
Pinocchio poets played by profiting puppeteers"

pourmeanother

We don't really need to beat a dead horse, because I'm adding fuel to the thing I thought was dumb in the first place. But, you can't use your terminology all interchangeably. When you say...

...it is not a fact.

When you say...

It is not a fact; unless you can prove there is a line to be drawn in the sand with specific metrics, where we can scrutinize every rapper and decisively throw them on either the good or bad side of the line. I can look up at the Sun, and see it's there. I can touch it, it's material, it's fact. Good lyricism isn't blatant, and I don't see it as black and white. I asked what you think makes a good lyricist- because I was genuinely curious what your measure was- and you deflected the question.

There's ways of presenting information without being a condescending ass. We get it- you are the God of lyricism, and all of us lesser mortals bow down to thee. Rather than parading this fact why don't you enlighten us with what you know in a more positive manner... I think that will garner much more respect around here, and people might be more receptive of your future posts. You obviously know your ****, and I'd like to hear more, but stop beating your own ****ing drum.

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jacklovezhimself

^ someone's on the debate team.

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