Not another 'state of hip-hop today' thread

Bane of your existence · 12-01-2009, 08:45 AM

No I see what you're saying. And yeah, a couple gems on there made the other turds sparkle a bit for me I suppose.

music_phantom13 · 12-01-2009, 10:43 AM

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I thought Born Like This was dreadful. Lackluster production + underwhelming rhymes = wackness.

This. It really is a departure from his older work, because it feels like he didn't try as much or something. It just can't compare. I know hardly anyone agrees with me, but it's true.

But enough about that. This is the first rant I've ever read, are they all like this? What's the point of bitching about how a genre needs to change? Instead, it would be much more productive on his part to go find good albums that have been released since 2004. And if you don't want to go with super underground not well known albums, look at bands like Gorillaz or Madvillain or M.I.A. I don't think many would argue that those are bad projects, and most know at least 2 of them.

Also, saying this:

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Some swear by TI and Young Jeezy as charismatic artists, but neither came up with a MC persona we've not seen before.

right after writing:

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It's not even coming up with compelling new personalities. The last, by my reckoning, were Lil Wayne

completely destroys any credibility he may have had. I've said before and I'll say it again, I like Lil' Wayne. But I don't think anyone on this forum can explain to me how Lil Wayne was a compelling new personality while TI and Young Jeezy aren't original.

SATCHMO · 12-01-2009, 12:01 PM

There's a lot of really great hip hop out there, but for some reason people tend to be more trusting of the mass media to tell them what the current state of the genre is than they are with any other genre.

IWP · 12-02-2009, 01:48 PM

Hip hop is going to die in a few years just like disco did in the early 80s. Well it won't die, but I think it's going to be supplanted by electronic dance music, electropop, and and even rock in the 2010s, and go down the same path that rock did in the 90s, and ghetto/urban fashion is going to go down the toilet. Can't wait for the 2010s! =D

Sparky · 12-02-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by IWP

Hip hop is going to die in a few years just like disco did in the early 80s. Well it won't die, but I think it's going to be supplanted by electronic dance music, electropop, and and even rock in the 2010s, and go down the same path that rock did in the 90s, and ghetto/urban fashion is going to go down the toilet. Can't wait for the 2010s! =D

I thought rock had a resurgence in the 90's, with the whole grunge and alternative rock scene gaining popularity.

"Ghetto" fashion has been going down for a couple years. Look at how the new rappers dress, they all wear skinny jeans and plad.

You really think all the current fans of rap are gonna switch to electropop?

IWP · 12-02-2009, 04:38 PM

A good amount probably will, at least most of the female "fans" will.

Jester · 12-02-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by IWP

Hip hop is going to die in a few years just like disco did in the early 80s. Well it won't die, but I think it's going to be supplanted by electronic dance music, electropop, and and even rock in the 2010s, and go down the same path that rock did in the 90s, and ghetto/urban fashion is going to go down the toilet. Can't wait for the 2010s! =D

Don't worry, the hip hop culture is a lot different than the disco culture.

Captain Awesome · 12-03-2009, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by jester

don't worry, the hip hop culture is a lot different than the disco culture.

lol

hip hop (the culture) will probably never die. And i can't see rap music dying either. There's still thousands of great rappers out there who do what they're supposed to do rather than make songs about bling and whores with guns and coke. Best way to think of it is modern day poets and as long as there is one kid listening to the rappers who are actually talented then hip hop will live on.

"This is Hip Hop, a sick mans medicine it's blood, sweat, tears and love and adrenaline... and it just gives me that feeling!"

Fruitonica · 12-03-2009, 04:09 AM

The problem with the articles is sensationalism, when you read them they're both pretty reasonable.

The thing to keep in mind is, when they say a genre is dead or dying, nobody is saying that it isn't producing good music. But that hip hop is gradually uncoupling from the zeitgeist of pop-culture, and I think for that reason you have to look exclusively at the mainstream when you want you're talking about this stuff, because the underground is never going to drive popular culture the way the mainstream did during it's heyday.

Hip hop is splintering and evolving, and really has ascended to a meta-genre status alongside rock, the sonic possibilities are so diverse, one of the differences that it hasn't been subjected to so many pointless genre divisions as rock has. It's never going to completely fade away as long as people enjoy the sound of rapping.

Jester · 12-03-2009, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Awesome

lol

hip hop (the culture) will probably never die. And i can't see rap music dying either. There's still thousands of great rappers out there who do what they're supposed to do rather than make songs about bling and whores with guns and coke. Best way to think of it is modern day poets and as long as there is one kid listening to the rappers who are actually talented then hip hop will live on.

"This is Hip Hop, a sick mans medicine it's blood, sweat, tears and love and adrenaline... and it just gives me that feeling!"

What's wrong with rapping about bling, whores, guns or coke?

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IWP A S T H E T I C Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 532	Hip hop is going to die in a few years just like disco did in the early 80s. Well it won't die, but I think it's going to be supplanted by electronic dance music, electropop, and and even rock in the 2010s, and go down the same path that rock did in the 90s, and ghetto/urban fashion is going to go down the toilet. Can't wait for the 2010s! =D __________________ insert witty remark here Last edited by IWP; 12-02-2009 at 01:54 PM.

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IWP A S T H E T I C Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Philadelphia, PA Posts: 532	A good amount probably will, at least most of the female "fans" will. __________________ insert witty remark here

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12-01-2009, 08:45 AM	#21 (permalink)
Bane of your existence Such That Join Date: May 2007 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 1,197	No I see what you're saying. And yeah, a couple gems on there made the other turds sparkle a bit for me I suppose.

12-01-2009, 12:01 PM	#23 (permalink)
SATCHMO Al Dente Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 4,708	There's a lot of really great hip hop out there, but for some reason people tend to be more trusting of the mass media to tell them what the current state of the genre is than they are with any other genre.

12-03-2009, 04:09 AM	#29 (permalink)
Fruitonica Pale and Wan Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aus Posts: 917	The problem with the articles is sensationalism, when you read them they're both pretty reasonable. The thing to keep in mind is, when they say a genre is dead or dying, nobody is saying that it isn't producing good music. But that hip hop is gradually uncoupling from the zeitgeist of pop-culture, and I think for that reason you have to look exclusively at the mainstream when you want you're talking about this stuff, because the underground is never going to drive popular culture the way the mainstream did during it's heyday. Hip hop is splintering and evolving, and really has ascended to a meta-genre status alongside rock, the sonic possibilities are so diverse, one of the differences that it hasn't been subjected to so many pointless genre divisions as rock has. It's never going to completely fade away as long as people enjoy the sound of rapping.