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Old 04-25-2011, 03:47 PM   #661 (permalink)
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my viewpoint is that teenagers aren't smart enough to listen to Aesop; they're mostly Eminem, Lil Wayne jockies.

big generalization.
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Old 04-25-2011, 06:05 PM   #662 (permalink)
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That's insanely easy to do.

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What the **** are you going on about?

Wax (aka Big Wax) is my favorite rapper, and I like the ring of the username so I used it. Are you seriously going to sit here and argue with me that I'm Wax himself and advertising my own ****? The guy was just signed to Def Jam.

I just got here but won't be staying. This forum is ****ing awful.
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Old 04-25-2011, 09:46 PM   #663 (permalink)
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big generalization.
Well, in general, most teenagers simply wouldn't have a wide enough scope of knowledge to, uh, "get" Aesop Rock. (I can't think of a better way of saying "get," but that's really not what I'm trying to say. Blah.)
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Old 04-25-2011, 10:11 PM   #664 (permalink)
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Well, in general, most teenagers simply wouldn't have a wide enough scope of knowledge to, uh, "get" Aesop Rock. (I can't think of a better way of saying "get," but that's really not what I'm trying to say. Blah.)
That is just plain ignorant. It's like saying that white people can't "get" rap or that people born in the 1990's can't "get" The Doors. Perception is completely relative. Who says that your perception and understanding of a certain musical element is more advanced or correct than someone else's? Unless YOU are the artist, you cannot say whether someone perceived the meaning of a song correctly. Even then, I'm sure the artist would be glad to be relavent to the listener, even if their work is misinterpreted.
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Old 04-26-2011, 12:05 AM   #665 (permalink)
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Well, in general, most teenagers simply wouldn't have a wide enough scope of knowledge to, uh, "get" Aesop Rock. (I can't think of a better way of saying "get," but that's really not what I'm trying to say. Blah.)
It's not really as much of a matter of "scope of knowledge", as it is patience and and attentiveness. When aesop is making a point, or commentary it's usually fairly easy to grasp.

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And i hate it when people just quote one verse from one song to prove a really general point about an artist, but i honestly believe the average teenager( and this is mostly because of my own expireance)is totally capable of understanding and appreciating AR.
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Old 04-26-2011, 05:59 AM   #666 (permalink)
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Well, in general, most teenagers simply wouldn't have a wide enough scope of knowledge to, uh, "get" Aesop Rock. (I can't think of a better way of saying "get," but that's really not what I'm trying to say. Blah.)
They are able to get it they just choose not to.

There is the whole stigma behind listening to conscious rap and listening to mainstream.

They rather listen to mainstream because that's what they are hearing on the radio and all of their friends love it so they go with the flow.

This isn't all teenagers but a large majority of them. They turn their nose up to any type of rap that might have a deeper message aka conscious rap.
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What the **** are you going on about?

Wax (aka Big Wax) is my favorite rapper, and I like the ring of the username so I used it. Are you seriously going to sit here and argue with me that I'm Wax himself and advertising my own ****? The guy was just signed to Def Jam.

I just got here but won't be staying. This forum is ****ing awful.
Chill out bruv, there's no need for unpleasantness.
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If he needs to leave from that then he just can't really hang.

If something that simple sets him off then he's going to be crying alot
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Old 04-26-2011, 07:43 PM   #669 (permalink)
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That is just plain ignorant. It's like saying that white people can't "get" rap or that people born in the 1990's can't "get" The Doors. Perception is completely relative. Who says that your perception and understanding of a certain musical element is more advanced or correct than someone else's? Unless YOU are the artist, you cannot say whether someone perceived the meaning of a song correctly. Even then, I'm sure the artist would be glad to be relavent to the listener, even if their work is misinterpreted.
How the fuck is it even REMOTELY like that?

Saying teenagers don't have as much knowledge in their arsenal to employ in interpreting complex lyrics and that they are in general lazier when it comes to brainy activities like analyzing lyrics IS NOT the same as saying fucking white people can't get anything out of rap. You can't compare the general intellectual abilities of teenagers to the general intellectual abilities of ALL WHITE PEOPLE. You need to work on your goddamn analogies.

Teenagers are young, and a lot of them only really learn what they're taught, because not many are excited to learn more about the world. Only select things that they care about, which are often kind of pointless things. My point is that IN GENERAL, a majority of teenagers aren't going to be equipped with a large enough vocabulary / information database to process a lot of Aesop Rock. Sure, there are things they can take away from him, but people get caught up with the hard stuff that they can't understand, and give up that way. Don't even try to say that's not the case; remember the kids in your high school English class and how they felt about Shakespeare?

Right. THIS IS A GENERALIZATION. I know that, I'm not stupid. I know there are kids out there who know a lot.

Secondly: technically, no, the artist doesn't even really have the right to say someone interpreted something "correctly." The artist's job is to put the art out there. Show, don't say. And I never made a point like, "omg all teenagers misinterpret aesop rock! that's why they can't appreciate him!" I was saying that his approach might be a bit complex for your average teenager. If you think Aes appeals to the masses, gtfo. He just doesn't, unfortunately.

That dude said Aesop Rock was targeted towards teenagers. I know teens can like him, take messages away from him, etc.

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It's not really as much of a matter of "scope of knowledge", as it is patience and and attentiveness. When aesop is making a point, or commentary it's usually fairly easy to grasp.

And i hate it when people just quote one verse from one song to prove a really general point about an artist, but i honestly believe the average teenager( and this is mostly because of my own expireance)is totally capable of understanding and appreciating AR.
Good point, and I agree. Aesop Rock has plenty of commentaries that can be picked up on relatively easy. But like I said earlier, those things are surrounded by dense imagery and loads of abstract lyrics, which are difficult to make sense out of right away. As a result, people can shrug him off as jibberish. Like what I said about high school English; did you people really not have a bunch of kids around you bitching about how Shakespeare "doesn't make sense" and shit like that?

Yes, teenagers ARE capable of appreciating and understanding Aesop Rock. Anyone can be. My point is that Aesop Rock's got too much going on to be considered targeted towards teenagers. It doesn't mean they're not allowed to like him or are incapable of doing so. I just think it's ridiculous to say he's trying to communicate most specifically to teenagers. Pretty sure he's doing his thing for whoever's gonna listen.

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aesop rock is just gay emo rap
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I don't know what fancy pants highschool you went to, but we certainly did not read shakespear, much less books in general.
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