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Old 04-21-2008, 09:14 PM   #71 (permalink)
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I'm saying I don't like 2Pac, and I don't think he's very good. But a lot of people disagree, and tried to imitate him, so he's influential. But not very good in my opinion. And we're talking about what we think about his music. Not how influential he was.

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Citing one song doesn't prove your point. They're more accomplished because they do a lot of different things with their voices and flows. Snoop Dogg, Biggie and many others still sell huge amounts of records today.
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Old 04-21-2008, 09:21 PM   #72 (permalink)
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I'm saying I don't like 2Pac, and I don't think he's very good. But a lot of people disagree, and tried to imitate him, so he's influential. But not very good in my opinion. And we're talking about what we think about his music. Not how influential he was.
When an artist is as influential as Tupac and their influence has even outspread just music you have to take that into account when discussing their music.

I think his music is fantastic and he released two of the greatest hip hop albums ever and a few other good ones. You think he has "Mediocre flow, mediocre production...Bad voice..." but excellent lyrics. The problem with that is production is pretty objective but matious and I both agree its fine. I don't see what's wrong with his flow/voice at all and the only thing I could see wrong with it is you not liking it which doesn't make it bad now does it? It just means it's not your cup of tea for whatever reason.

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Citing one song doesn't prove your point. They're more accomplished because they do a lot of different things with their voices and flows. Snoop Dogg, Biggie and many others still sell huge amounts of records today.
Um, Tupac's voice is fine and you're making him out to sound like microsoft sam or something which is pretty far from accurate.
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Old 04-21-2008, 09:30 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Music is not a democracy. Anyhow, I've said, what, 4 times now what I think is wrong with his flow/voice? The funny thing about you saying someone's influence affects their music is that you're the biggest Led Zeppelin hater ever. I'm not even saying he's bad, just that I'm not the biggest fan. I don't see how my opinion on his music should be affected by his influence on other artists.
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Old 04-21-2008, 09:43 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Music is not a democracy.
I never said it was.

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Anyhow, I've said, what, 4 times now what I think is wrong with his flow/voice?
You've explained why you don't like it not what's "wrong" with it, I have no problem with it. I mean you cited Snoop Dogg as an example of vocal variety and he's probably one of the most repetitive vocalists ever.

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The funny thing about you saying someone's influence affects their music is that you're the biggest Led Zeppelin hater ever.
I don't actually hate Led Zeppelin, if you knew anything about that you'd know I only bash Led Zeppelin as a retaliation to boo boo bashing Modest Mouse.

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I'm not even saying he's bad, just that I'm not the biggest fan.
Um..."I'm saying I don't like 2Pac, and I don't think he's very good." Right...you're not saying he's bad...just not very good...

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I don't see how my opinion on his music should be affected by his influence on other artists.
It doesn't but you're doing more than that you're insulting the music of one of the most important hip hop artists ever so yeah I'm going to call you on it. I find it hilarious how you're all the sudden backing down after being called on it.
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Old 04-21-2008, 09:43 PM   #75 (permalink)
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I'm saying I don't like 2Pac, and I don't think he's very good. But a lot of people disagree, and tried to imitate him, so he's influential. But not very good in my opinion. And we're talking about what we think about his music. Not how influential he was.

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Citing one song doesn't prove your point. They're more accomplished because they do a lot of different things with their voices and flows. Snoop Dogg, Biggie and many others still sell huge amounts of records today.

okay, heres a good example of tupac flow. It's consistent, he changes his pitch multiple times.

I guess he doesn't say "Drop it like its HOOOOOOOOt" so his voice isn't dynamic enough.
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Old 04-21-2008, 10:03 PM   #76 (permalink)
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You've explained why you don't like it not what's "wrong" with it, I have no problem with it. I mean you cited Snoop Dogg as an example of vocal variety and he's probably one of the most repetitive vocalists ever.
Um..."I'm saying I don't like 2Pac, and I don't think he's very good." Right...you're not saying he's bad...just not very good...
It doesn't but you're doing more than that you're insulting the music of one of the most important hip hop artists ever so yeah I'm going to call you on it. I find it hilarious how you're all the sudden backing down after being called on it.
I'm backing down? Really? Remind me where I ever said he was bad or unimportant. I don't think he's very good. Get it? This whole time I've been saying he doesn't live up to the hype for me. I wasn't even talking to you when I mentioned Snoop, so I'm not sure why you're bringing him up. Maybe there's nothing 'wrong' with it, but I don't like it. Which is what I've been saying the whole time. God, the strongest words I've used are 'he not very good'.
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Old 04-21-2008, 10:10 PM   #77 (permalink)
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I'm backing down? Really? Remind me where I ever said he was bad or unimportant. I don't think he's very good. Get it? This whole time I've been saying he doesn't live up to the hype for me. I wasn't even talking to you when I mentioned Snoop, so I'm not sure why you're bringing him up. Maybe there's nothing 'wrong' with it, but I don't like it. Which is what I've been saying the whole time. God, the strongest words I've used are 'he not very good'.
Not very good is basically the same thing as saying bad. Let me break this down for you. Bad is an antonym for good, so to place not in front of good means to make it mean the opposite so to place not in front of good would to mean its bad and very is just an adjective and doesn't change the definition. This is anal as hell I realize but you did say he was bad and now you're trying to back down and soften it up. Also I'm allowed to reply to whatever I please particularly if I disagree with you and you're making invalid comparisons.
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Old 04-21-2008, 10:33 PM   #78 (permalink)
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I said Snoop Dogg was still selling albums today, not that he had a good voice. Saying isn't very good literally means that something is not very good.
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Old 04-21-2008, 10:39 PM   #79 (permalink)
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And how is not good different than bad? I'm intrigued to here you reinvent the meaning of words.
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Old 04-21-2008, 10:49 PM   #80 (permalink)
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Is there no middle ground? On a scale of one to ten he's a 7.5. You know pretty good. Not great, not very good?
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