Jester

What the hell, dude? I go to some failing LAUSD school. Did you never take an ENGLISH class? They didn't read ANYTHING?

I don't see how reading Romeo and Juliet or A Midsummer Night's Dream in high school would require the school being "fancy pants..."

Dude, teenagers to white people IS NOT a valid analogy, no matter how you look at it. In an analogy, teenagers cannot compare to white people. They're WAY TOO DIFFERENT. As a group, white people INCLUDE teenagers. This analogy is logically fallacious, I'm pretty sure. I can't remember the name, though! (This is clearly me trying to show off my VAST KNOWLEDGE because I'm such an elitist. )

Yes, it's a generalization, but I'm making that fact clear and it's making a generalization is fair, BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT A MAJORITY. If someone told me, like,

And Jesus Christ, I'm not saying a teenager can't appreciate Aesop Rock. But it's a fucking fact that a majority wouldn't, "no matter how you try to paint it." That other guy suggested that Aesop Rock's target fan base was teens.

My point: teenagers, in general, are not likely to be Aesop Rock's target audience, because if they were, he probably would not take such a complex approach, because your average teenager is likely to be turned off by the amount of things in the lyrics that they won't have come across yet.

The world is a big place, with lots of information--it takes time to absorb lots of it. Aesop Rock has a lot of stuff in his lyrics. For example, the dude's like a walking dictionary--you can't tell me his vocabulary is not above your average 15 year old's vocab. If you are telling me that, you can pretty much suck my dick.

Now, ALL THAT SAID. I perfectly understand the fact that people that aren't legally considered adults are capable of enjoying and making sense out of Aesop Rock. I don't care when you came out of your mom's pussy if you can make a good point.

Uhhhh... Yeah, people who only learn what is taught to them are lazy and don't seek knowledge. You're telling me there's no people who actively, like... read, and learn on their own, through their own interests?

Sorry if you think everything going on in the life of your average teenager is like, some serious shit. Teenage years are highly important because we're developing rapidly. Interests come and go, you're silly if you think everything every teenager takes is serious. It's all a learning process, and you're being goddamn sensitive because I'm only presenting the objective side of things. I'll get to this later.

Oh, wow. LOL. Anyone out of middle school can write Aesop Rock's songs. Wow, I really don't even know what to say to that. You don't see the craftsmanship in Aesop Rock's work? Everything he's said amounts to middle school knowledge... That's an impossible conclusion to arrive at. Sorry, what the fuck?

Well, they're both writers with unique artistic styles. I've seen a lot of people write off Aesop Rock as nonsensical, and in school, an overwhelming majority of my peers wrote off Shakespeare as nonsensical, too; complaining that people probably "look too much into him," and that he didn't really have as many subtle messages as teachers claim he do.

What? Dude, to say in general does not mean to say EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM OUT THERE IS THIS WAY. It means most. A majority. That means there are others who do not fall under this category, but that the numbers under this category are larger. How many times do I have to say that I recognize that there are many exceptions to this? There are a lot of teenagers who like Aesop Rock, that's proof enough. But how can one say his target audience is teenagers when he clearly isn't taking an approach that would make him click with your average teenager.


Yes, the artist had the inspiration and made the piece. That doesn't mean other people's interpretations are wrong, because different words and sounds and ideas click to us differently. I'm saying that the artist doesn't get to decide who's right, the interpretation is pretty much up to the audience. Whatever they see is what they see. The artist just tries to guide them to interpret things a certain way; that doesn't make their interpretation wrong.


Dude, what the fuck are you talking about? I really haven't. There's a HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN "IN GENERAL" and "ALL." Goddamn.


Hey, infidel, it's called conscious rap. And Aesop Rock wouldn't just fall under that category, lol.


BECAUSE MY POINT IS NOT THAT TEENAGERS CANNOT ENJOY OR APPRECIATE HIM. My point is that they are not likely to be his TARGET FANBASE.

Look, did you have a tough time growing up, or some shit? Because you're getting awfully sensitive about me not sympathizing with all the smart kids out there. I know they're out there. But that's not what I'm talking about right now. Do you feel like you're not recognized for your great ideas, man? Do you need some people to tell you that you're a smart guy?

Calm the fuck down and grow the fuck up. You're really arguing against something that's not my point, anyway. You think I'm prejudice by age, which is absolutely ridiculous. I've debated against that form of prejudice many, many times, because I was often arguing issues with people older than me, and when that happens, of course you're likely to come across those prejudiced-by-age people who will refuse to acknowledge your point because "you're too young to understand." Stand up against that because it's wrong--anyone can know about things, but it's a matter of drive. If you don't want to know about things, you're not going to try and go learn about them, so you won't know them and you won't be able to make sense out of A LOT of different things when they come up--not just Aesop Rock.

But don't come on goddamn forums complaining about how teenagers are so so smart.