I just said I'm not paying attention to their rhymes. I already know that Nicki's is more original.
I'm literally saying it was rude.
I didn't even say who I thought "won" in the matter.

Edit:
Okay I'm not arguing this point anymore, because you're both arguing things I didn't talk about in my original post.

well, like it or not, this stuff happens all the time in hip-hop and while I disagree with you FaSho, I don't think it makes rap more interesting, I think it's pretty dumb and they should all just get along and have awesome collaberations, I also think that because it happens so much it shouldn't be taken as seriously as you seem to take it, Sugar

I'm not taking it seriously. I made a point about how she was literally being rude and how she was in the wrong... and then you made a point about how her verses are better. As much as I agree with that fact, and as much as I'm sure there is a lot more to this whole argument than meets the eye, it's completely unintelligent and out of place to rebuttal my argument by bringing up an unrelated point. That's all I'm saying about that.
Now, if we're going to talk music, Nicki's verses are a lot better. When looking up the lyrics, I could have used any part of Roman's Revenge as an example. It took me much longer to find a sharp verse or a bite in Lil Kim's.
Do you understand now why I had a hard time debating this? I AGREED with you about the verses, so bringing that point up AGAINST my point, which had nothing to do with the verses... was futile.
I don't give a **** whether it happens all of the time in hip hop. I'm talking about this situation right now, because it was brought up. I know it happens all of the time in hip hop, it happens all of the time everywhere. And there are different circumstances in every situation. Don't try to generalize it.

Roman's Revenge is a great track, but a bit disturbing honestly. The Eminem verse is just offputting. Since she's so big right now, I'm sure it will become super-popular soon, and become pretty controversial. I personally don't care though.

How come it's offputting, because of the things he's talking about?
Eh, in my opinion, it's no different from what Eminem was already doing, so I wasn't too surprised.

Yeah. I know diss tracks tend to be really dark (Nas's Ether comes to mind), but they also don't tend to be single's sooooo

And no offense, but I don't think you've heard enough Eminem if you're making that generalization. He jokes around a lot, but he makes a lot of really tight and impacting music as well.

lol I guess I have to listen to it again and try to look at it from a different point of view. when I listen to hip-hop disturbing/violent/sexual things don't affect me as much, I guess I just go into a different state of mind or I'm used to it.. I wonder if that is a good thing or a bad thing..


alright, Sugar I see your point. I guess Nicki is a bit more rude than your average artist anyways lol. It will be interesting to see if she cools down a bit once she is a bit more of a veteran.

She prolly will, I think she's doing it for attention.
I just didn't have much of a problem because it was meant to be that disturbing.

I think you guys will like this one well the vid is a little ruff so not sure if its ok to post it contains strong words so i left the link out. do a search in youtube on nicki minaj and eminem in a song called romans revange check that out its awesome!.

Actually Lil Kim started it. Nicki was paying homage to Lil Kim and shouting out to her in interviews and such, while Lil Kim found out and told her to get lost and that she wouldn't make it. So Nicki does have a right to turn around and argue back. I'm pretty sure she doesn't mean to literally kill her, remember songs are supposed to be expression, not to be taken literally. If they were literal, Eminem would have killed dozens of people by now.

I don't think celebrity feuds should ever be taken seriously. These two people have far too much to loose to actually kill each other. Meanwhile, it makes for some great music. I think deep down both these artists respect each other on some level. How could they not? Nicki obviously enjoyed Kim's music. Kim surely must have some respect for a female rapper who's done so well for herself.

k i ended that argument. i have nothing more to say about that right now.

I know, just talking about the fued in general.

It was more in response to Vanilla, sorry.
I completely agree with you. I think they're just being females and trying to make a bigger impact.
And it does make for some good, angry, intimidating music from a listening perspective.

Sweet I got the last word for once!

I saw an interview where she pretty much admits she's in it for the money.

whoa, better notify the media

She's a gimmick, but it works. She fits in perfectly into what hip-hop has and is turning into today. She's dope but I wasn't feeling Pink Friday too much. The two mixtapes were better

And that Monster verse truly was delivered amazingly

hey check this tune out i think you guys will love this, well some of you any way...


YouTube - Nicki Minaj - Your Love (HD) LYRICS & DOWNLOAD

your love nicki minaj

Too bad the content wasn't amazing.

Well any content can become good with good delivery. If there's good content and shitty delivery then everything just sucks.

The content was equally as entertaining as the delivery. What's the problem?

agreed. As far as mainstream hip-hop goes anyways.. you can't really expect anything mind-blowing

No.

Well If you'd rather post a "humorous" one word retort rather than a legitimet counter point...

thankyou.

I think i posted the actual lyrics to the verse earlier in this thread, and they're pretty awful.

nicki minaj and rihanna in fly
YouTube - Nicki Minaj "Fly" (featuring Rihanna)

Scrotum.

You guys are seriously missing the point but I won't speak for Awwsugar.

Well abearmauled me is just being rude.

But yeah they are missing the point. What I meant is delivery is a lot more important.

Sorry, i didn't mean to be offensive (it was supposed to be "humorous"). I really meant that delivery and content are both key components and if one is done bad, you can't completely make up for (or alter) the other. And if what you said was true
I believe I would enjoy a lot more mainstream rap.

Let's try again.
In MY opinion, delivery is a lot more important. Something can only get better (or stay the same, I guess) with good delivery, and with bad delivery it can be ruined.

Immature.

Sorry, but I don't think you understand my comment in the overall scheme of the conversation. Anyway, i was a little bit of an ass so let me just say that I agree with you Sugar other than the point that good delivery can make bad content itself good. To me, the delivery can make it enjoyable to listen to a song maybe once or twice, but upon analyzation, I think that bad content is still bad. I guess I should just say that I didn't like Nicki Minaj's verse on Monster.

I think i could make a verse sound good with kanye producing it

Are you kidding me? You could make any verse sound good.

matious, he's the mutha****ing meanest
with the big e-penis
it aint the cleanest
cuz of the chronic masterbation
my rhymes so crooked cops try to bring em to the station

I GOT BARS SON!

honestly i actually liked that :laughing:

That is pure poetry.

The names andrew, i'll slash ya like a sandshrew,
so unhand you, the medallion is sparklier than mountain dew, true
don't mess with me cause im grouch like oscar, a slouch like posture,
i'll stick your parents have you living in foster,
care, beware, hypocrite, my swaggers D.A.R.E.
smoke an eighth til the sack is bare,
i need a haircut to clean up my hair.

sorry, i couldn't help myself