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Old 08-26-2014, 02:11 AM   #431 (permalink)
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The qualm that I have with these kinds of videos, and maybe it's not a fair one to have, is that

they kind of reinforce this idea that to be a sexual female pop star you still have to cater towards perhaps backwards and overwhelmingly predominantly male fantasies. not that that's in all cases inherently wrong. but this one in particular doesn't really seem to espouse any sort of feminine sexuality, just women doing (seemingly exclusively) what men want. and, from what i've seen, that's what the vast majority of female sexuality in popular media is made out to be. What kind of example does that set? Not just for women, mind you.

I'm not tryna step on anyone's toes here or shift the discussion so far off course it's just something I've been thinking about. I am totally not an expert so if anyone wants to school me like, get on it.
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Old 08-26-2014, 02:54 AM   #432 (permalink)
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The qualm that I have with these kinds of videos, and maybe it's not a fair one to have, is that

they kind of reinforce this idea that to be a sexual female pop star you still have to cater towards perhaps backwards and overwhelmingly predominantly male fantasies. not that that's in all cases inherently wrong. but this one in particular doesn't really seem to espouse any sort of feminine sexuality, just women doing (seemingly exclusively) what men want. and, from what i've seen, that's what the vast majority of female sexuality in popular media is made out to be. What kind of example does that set? Not just for women, mind you.

I'm not tryna step on anyone's toes here or shift the discussion so far off course it's just something I've been thinking about. I am totally not an expert so if anyone wants to school me like, get on it.
Well said!

This was the point I was trying to make. I know sometimes my point doesn't come out the way I intend it to but this was well on the mark!

To add to your point I would say, I think it is sad that these female pop star's and record labels try to mask these stereotypes by calling them "feminism" because that is not want feminism is. They know that girls and young teens are their primary audience and they create songs that cater to them but they make the music videos for the men.

If they want to sell sex, then sell sex but don't call it feminism or call it empowerment because it is not. It just reinforces a lot of negative stereotypes that women for years have tried to detach from.
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Old 08-26-2014, 03:02 AM   #433 (permalink)
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Music is always art. Just because you don't like it or it's objectively shitty does not strip it of its status as art. Tyler Perry's films are still films, How I Met Your Mother is still a sitcom, Catcher In the Rye is still a novel, the sea of poetry written by angsty and vocabularyless teens is still poetry. Just because I think these things are worse than getting my eyes gouged out, they are all still art. To quote Duchamp, "art can be bad, good, or indifferent, but whatever adjective is used we must still call it art."

It only makes you look ignorant when you call a piece of art otherwise because you're not a fan of it.


Music is a art medium yes. However, it doesn't mean songs or music videos are artistic just because it falls under that medium.

I don't think it makes me look ignorant to suggest this, I just feel it's just my opinion.

P.S. I agree about your opinion on the Tyler Perry films but I gotta say "They Family that Preys" was pretty good.
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Old 08-26-2014, 05:05 AM   #434 (permalink)
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The qualm that I have with these kinds of videos, and maybe it's not a fair one to have, is that

they kind of reinforce this idea that to be a sexual female pop star you still have to cater towards perhaps backwards and overwhelmingly predominantly male fantasies. not that that's in all cases inherently wrong. but this one in particular doesn't really seem to espouse any sort of feminine sexuality, just women doing (seemingly exclusively) what men want. and, from what i've seen, that's what the vast majority of female sexuality in popular media is made out to be. What kind of example does that set? Not just for women, mind you.

I'm not tryna step on anyone's toes here or shift the discussion so far off course it's just something I've been thinking about. I am totally not an expert so if anyone wants to school me like, get on it.
Her intention was to be empowering of her own image and to show body positivity. The place where she goes a little wrong is the whole shaming skinny women in the process. She wanted to showcase thicker women because she feels like in media and even in hip hop they only like to glorify skinny women as being beautiful and sexy.

It feels like we watched two different videos or maybe you weren't paying attention to the lyrics and the symbolism in the video. There is a part where she pretends that she likes a banana then chops it up aggressively while winking at the camera. Just one of the examples that she isn't doing this for men.
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It's using sex to sell lowest common denominator music.
There's no message, there's no empowerment, it's look at my titties and buy my record.
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It's using sex to sell lowest common denominator music.
There's no message, there's no empowerment, it's look at my titties and buy my record.

Wow lol you summarized all 10 of my posts on this topic in two sentences!
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hmmm?

also i guess "art" and "artistic" are technically different things. All music is art. It's just a descriptor. Whether or not you think a piece of music is artistic is up to you i suppose, but it sounds like a whiny hollow insult to me. "oh i dont like this so it's not artistic". I cant think of any music on the planet that i would say isnt artistic.
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She talks about the message in this video but you can continue going around saying there is no message all you want.
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^ lol DJ what message?
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She talks about the message in this video but you can continue going around saying there is no message all you want.

There's no more of a message in that than there is a guide to spiritual enlightenment in Warrant's Cherry Pie video.
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