DwnWthVwls

There is nothing wrong with capitalizing off the sex market if that's how you want to make your money. If she's not being forced I don't see a problem, her body, her decision. There is a reason porn has a huge market in the US. Sex is a natural human desire, yada yada, I'm not gonna go off on that speech, but come on, less prude please.

I don't see why if it's fake or not matters. I "marvel" over beauty, period. Everyone's idea of it is different. There are pictures I have posted on this forum of crazy piercings and stuff that i find beautiful and others call it disgusting.

Some people take mods to the extreme other people use them to achieve that JLo figure. How are you going to condemn one and not the other?

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Soulflower

You are right but I have a problem with "so called" artists who proclaim to be artists who make artistic music and artistic music videos when their images and music videos project the opposite.

There is nothing artistic about this music video and Nikki proclaims that she is an artist so there is an expectation there for her but not just her anybody who calls themselves an artist.


Whether she is being forced or not it is still projecting a message and it still does not change the fact that she is using her body to sell records.

She is always saying that she is a rapper FIRST and always calls out other rappers so why is she using her body to sell records instead of her music???

I am holding her accountable for HER OWN words which people have a right too.

You can't call out other rappers for the very thing you do yourself and Nikki Minaj is famous for this.




Okay, but this is NOT Porn, this is a MUSIC video. This is suppose to be an expression of art and expressing the meaning of a song in a visual way. I don't have a problem with sexuality being used in music or music videos in a ARTISTIC WAY but its troubling how these pop female artists persist on fulfilling men desires instead of tackling deeper messages with their music.

It reinforces negative stereotypes about woman.It reinforces the idea that "we are only here to fulfill the fantasies of men and we are only good for objectifying our bodies" Being that I am a woman myself I don't like it.


You can still be classy and sexy without degrading your body like that I dont care what anyone says.


I think it does matter when a male society is holding a woman who has had multiple plastic surgeries as the standard of beauty.

The average woman does not look like that because they can't afford to get their nose done, their boobs done, their ass done, or hips done.

It does matter because men are marveling at something that is not real and it is being held as a "standard"




That is completely different from this


I am not condemning anyone but everything on J Lo's body is natural and real unlike most of the fake asses in holly wood.

MOST African American and Latina women are naturally shaped like a Jlo which is why I dont have a problem if someone would want to hold her as the standard for that population women. Nikki on the other hand is just not accurate symbolism. No way her ass is the average ass of a black woman, and we have booty's but they don't look proportionally abnormal like hers

Soulflower

Music is suppose to be art but just because someone makes a song does not automatically make it "artistic" or art.

She has professed to be an artist and wants to be taken seriously as an artist. She has also negatively criticized other artists for not writing their lyrics or being creative.

So I have every right to hold her accountable for what she says she wants her music and music videos to reflect.


This music video and song is the opposite of what SHE wants HER music to reflect....period.


It does not matter that the song is about sex. The video concept could have still be more creative than just her just popping her booty and laying around half naked.

I am not her fan or am looking for her to be more than what she is because I know what she is. I just think that she should be held accountable for what she says and does.

Don't call out Iggy or insist you are a serious artist but then lay around half naked on the ground and make a stupid song, c'mon.


Just because she may not feel degraded does not mean what she is doing is not degrading.

That is like saying the act of prostituting is not degrading because the woman does not "feel degraded". It still does not change that it is a degrading act regardless whether the woman feels comfortable with it or not.

I wouldn't say she is "blessed" because she can do this. I just think this is something that she is choosing to do and she is being backed by a label that is marketing her based on image that requires her to exploit her body.

There are plenty of better looking ordinary woman that are not rich that don't exploit their bodies in this manner.

It does not take a whole lot of talent to do what she is doing so lets not make it seem like it is lol


There are men who do and society holds her to a certain standard. There are men who vote on polls and express their opinion and she is being held to a standard based on male perspectives.

I never said that made her less attractive. I have never once in this conversation called her ugly because I definitely don't think that or thought that before her surgeries.

I just think its troubling that our society glorifies superficial unattainable images of what women are suppose to look like when they are just "fantasies".


You completely misunderstood what I said here lol


I used J Lo because she is a woman that is often praised for her shape and sex appeal and she doesn't have a fake booty or curves like Nikki.


Her body is natural and is not artificially put togehter like Nikki so I would feel more comfortable as a minority if the media held Jlo as a standard for women of color when it comes to their bodies because most black woman, Latina, etc are naturally shaped like her.

Most white women/Caucasian do not have asses or are curvy which is why I did not use them as an example.

Most minority woman do not have an ass like Nikki because her ass is fake and abnormally shaped.

At the end of the day, no celebrity is technically a standard but I just feel more comfortable when the celebrity in question are naturally presented the way a ordinary person would be

Soulflower

Don't confuse expressing an opinion with pushing ones thoughts on others.

I am not judging Nikki but her display in the music video is degrading in my opinion and as a black woman I am personally sick and tired of seeing these female black pop stars exploiting their bodies when they do not have too.


I did not pass judgement on her as a human being. I just judged the video and the music since she is a pop star and as a music consumer and record buyer, I have a right too.

If you disagree then that is fine

But I am also entitled to my opinion as you are to yours.

Nice chatting.

djchameleon

The music video works perfectly for the song. She is playing off of Sir Mixalot's video but with her own spin on it. I don't know how you don't see that Soulflower.

If you want to call Nicki out. Call her out on the fact that she said this album would be more rap based while she leads with two pop sounding singles.

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Soulflower

I see that but I still find it degrading.

I also in my own words said the bolded.

I said that she insisted she is a serious artist, writes her own lyrics and is creative.

Howevever, this song and music video displays the opposite whether its pop or not.

Soulflower

The act is still degrading and that is my opinion. I am in no way pushing my thoughts on others by saying that.

YOU are pushing your opinion on me because you don't feel its degrading and since you disagree you think you have the authority to say what is or what is not degrading.

You said yourself that it was subjective. So what point are you trying to make?

I think it is degrading, that is my opinion you don't have to agree with it.


Do you understand that I understand that and I am just stating my opinion?

You are the one clearly pushing your opinions on others here because I have never stated anything as a fact in any of these responses.

ALL of these responses are opinions, even YOURS.

Definition of "Exploit"

make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource)

use (a situation or person) in an unfair or selfish way.

I think that Nikki is using her body in an unfair way and she does not have to. She is making use of oversexualizing her body in order to get money. She has spent millions of dollars on plastic surgery in order to do this so how is this not a form of exploitation?

There are many different forms of exploitation and the person can play a part in their own exploitation as well.

I am bewildered with why she would do that. She claims she is an artist first and not a marketing gimmick. She often calls out Iggy and other rappers for doing the same thing she does.

Remember Nikki is just a package that her label is presenting. She is agreeing to go along with being exploited and I think that is a problem.

You can also play a part in exploiting yourself as well in my opinion.

Scarlett O'Hara

The video was horrible. However, if she wants to show her sexual side that's her decision. Just because you think she has a fake butt it doesn't mean she can't flaunt it like J.Lo or anyone else. If you don't like her sexuality in her videos, don't watch them. It's attitudes like this that slut shame female artists because they are empowering themselves. Many male rappers have sexual music videos yet no one blinks an eyelid. Because a woman does the same she must be a slave to the industry right?

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Soulflower

Degradation can be defined by ANYBODY.

Aren't we consumers that she is trying to market too?

Aren't we entitled to express our opinions on what she wants US consumers to purchase and support?

So you are saying Nikki is the ONLY person who gets to make the decision on how people should form opinions about her music and work?

LOL

I have every right to express an opinion about anything she does especially since she is marketing and trying to sell a brand to the buying public. I AM apart of that music buying public so why can't I not have an opinion?

You are not the authority of what someone can and can not say on a topic. If you do not think it is degrading than that is okay but you can not shunned others if they think otherwise.

If she wants to parade around half naked and shake her booty for a dollar than she needs to be prepared for people to form their OWN opinion, rightfully so being she is a public figure trying to market to US.


How do you know how she feels about what she is doing?

There are women with low self esteem who feel they have to prostitute or have pimps to have self worth. There are models who stave themselves everday because they want to be thin in order to be famous. Likewise, there are pop stars who degrade their bodies in order to be more famous. There is no difference.

There are people who shoot innocent people, do drugs, prostitute, and rape people everyday and they do not think there is anything wrong with it.

If a man feels its okay to rape a woman, its okay because the rapist views it as being okay?

This makes NO sense at all.

It is subjective, it has nothing to do with being "personal". People are entitled to THEIR opinion regardless of what the person who is doing the act thinks of it.



Based off your definition. This is still your opinion.

You are not stating a fact.

You are stating your opinion which you are entiled too.

Can you explain what definitions you are referring to? There are multiple definitions of degradation and none of them imply you have to be the person to define yourself as degrading or not.


This is what a dictionary defines as degradation
Webster Dictionary:

deg·ra·da·tion
noun \ˌde-grə-ˈdā-shən\

: the act or process of damaging or ruining something

: the act of treating someone or something poorly and without respect

Full Definition of DEGRADATION

:the act or process of degrading
decline to a low, destitute, or demoralized state



She is a famous rapper and she makes millions, why is she acting like that in a video when she does not have to?

Now she of course can do what she wants BUT I also have a right to express my opinion on what she is doing and in my opinion it is unnessary.

She is using her body for money when she herself professes she wants to be viewed as a serious rapper compared to her peers? Do you see the irony in that? Do you see the contradiction?

Whether someone is a pop star or not, I hold people accountable for what they say which they should be.

Soulflower

I think it is tacky even when J Lo flaunts it but at least when the media insists that J Lo has a nice body, everything on it is actually real versus Nikki.

I can watch whatever I want and form whatever kind of opinion on whatever I want. I like music so I have a right to have my own opinion on it.

There was nothing empowering about this video and the only one who is slut shaming Nikki is Nikki herself.