Illmatic

Violent & Funky · 02-16-2011, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by James

Because Wikipedia is the greatest source of reliable info.

I agree!

**Janszoon** · 02-16-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by James

Because Wikipedia is the greatest source of reliable info.

The great thing about Wikipedia, unlike a lot of sources online, is that it actually has clickable references that you can check out. So I would argue that, yes, it is a pretty good source of reliable info, especially for something like music which is often defined by consensus instead of hard data anyway.

~~James~~ · 02-16-2011, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

I don't think Golden Age has like a definite set of years. Early to mid 90s was just awesome though.

It definetly started in 88. What a great year.

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

The great thing about Wikipedia, unlike a lot of sources online, is that it actually has clickable references that you can check out. So I would argue that, yes, it is a pretty good source of reliable info, especially for something like music which is often defined by consensus instead of hard data anyway.

Yeah I use it quite a bit. I was just fooling around.

**Janszoon** · 02-16-2011, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

I don't think Golden Age has like a definite set of years. Early to mid 90s was just awesome though.

Only songs I ever even consider skipping on Illmatic for a second are One Time 4 Your Mind and sometimes NY State Of Mind. I don't love that song like I love the others... Also, AZ was the only guy to feature on Illmatic and he straight murders his verse on Life a Bitch

"Life's a Bitch" is one of the ones I skip. The rapping is good but everything else is so dull that it renders the whole track kind of lifeless for me.

**Janszoon** · 02-16-2011, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by James

It definetly started in 88. What a great year.

I had my first kiss in 88. You're right, it was a good year!

Seriously though, I'd agree with 88 as a starting point for the golden age. I usually think of it being something like 88-92.

Sparky · 02-16-2011, 12:43 PM

NY state of mind is one of the best rap songs ever, it seriously blew my mind first time i heard it (was also SUPER gone too though) but still.

Judging the entire album i'd say it's overrated, but it does have some timeless songs on it "lifes a bitch" etc

I'm always surprised AZ didn't get more attention, he matches Nas in terms of lyrics on every track he's featured on.

Phantom Limb · 02-16-2011, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

"Life's a Bitch" is one of the ones I skip. The rapping is good but everything else is so dull that it renders the whole track kind of lifeless for me.

Yeah, I feel you on this. That and Halftime are the two tracks that I can't really get into and tend to skip a lot. Every other track on the album is amazing though, my favorites being "NY State of Mind", "One Time For Your Mind", "Represent" and "It Ain't Hard to Tell". I think it is overrated, but only very slightly. As far as the 90's go, this is just about the best combo of beats and rhyming that I've heard.

anticipation · 02-16-2011, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Seems a little bit too late to be a Golden Age album to me. I've certainly never regarded it as part of that era.

I consider the golden age of hip hop to run from at the earliest from 1989 to 1996. The rise of the Wu, ATCQ, Souls of Mischief, the Hiero crew, Big L, the Notorious B.I.G., and of course Nas during the early-to-mid 90's all represent a "golden age" to me, although I do believe the idea is a subjective one.

OccultHawk · 02-16-2011, 06:49 PM

My understanding of the Golden Age of Hip Hop is that it is centered around the heavy sampling era.

Examples include Raising Hell, Licensed to Ill and Paul's Boutique, and Three Feet High and Rising　

Thom Yorke · 02-16-2011, 09:06 PM

Favourite rapper, favourite album hands down. My favourite beat on the album is It Aint Hard to Tell (brilliant use of sampling), favourite lyrics is Halftime, favourite overall song is Memory Lane or NY.

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Sparky not really Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,223	NY state of mind is one of the best rap songs ever, it seriously blew my mind first time i heard it (was also SUPER gone too though) but still. Judging the entire album i'd say it's overrated, but it does have some timeless songs on it "lifes a bitch" etc I'm always surprised AZ didn't get more attention, he matches Nas in terms of lyrics on every track he's featured on.

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OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	My understanding of the Golden Age of Hip Hop is that it is centered around the heavy sampling era. Examples include Raising Hell, Licensed to Ill and Paul's Boutique, and Three Feet High and Rising

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Thom Yorke Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,848	Favourite rapper, favourite album hands down. My favourite beat on the album is It Aint Hard to Tell (brilliant use of sampling), favourite lyrics is Halftime, favourite overall song is Memory Lane or NY.