RIP "rap is all guns and hoes"

pourmeanother · 02-14-2011, 12:07 AM

Can we finally put to rest commentary on rap that involves a comparison to "guns and hoes"?

Common phrases:
-"I don't listen to rap it's all about bitches and hoes and money."
-"Artist 'x' is so refreshing because he doesn't rap about the standard bitches and hoes like the mainstream."
-"I only listen to underground because mainstream is all money and bling."

Why ^these phrases should be buried...
-If you don't listen to rap because you think it's all about bitches and hoes and money, then you have never given rap a chance in the first place. Women and money are common themes in rap, like all genres of music. So, while these topics may appear more common, they are far from the only items covered. If you truly want to give rap a chance, take the 12 seconds to research the thousands of artists who go more in depth than that.
-Artists no longer need to be praised for deviating from bitches and hoes in their lyrical content. Is it really all that surprising to hear a new track that talks about "real" topics? As many members of this site can attest, most rap fans' music library are comprised of hundreds or even thousands of tracks that fit into this category. So it may be refreshing to hear a new track that offers some quality lyrical content, but it is not some new, groundbreaking idea to talk current events, politics, love, life, etc... so please don't act like it is.
-The concept of underground and mainstream has become very convoluted with the onset of the internet and mass music sharing. Atmosphere, once considered a cool "underground" group by their 37 billion listeners, just had an album chart at #5 on the Billboard 200. For the most part, if you've heard of someone they probably aren't underground anymore. Beyond this, if you can still categorize a "mainstream" and an "underground"... money and bling is rampant in mainstream rap, and, guess what?, also exists in the underground. By the same token, thoughtful and insightful rap exists in both the underground and mainstream, albeit less common as it is harder to sell to the masses. Chances are your underground isn't underground, and it probably is not that much more lyrically thoughtful at its core than anything else.

RIP to phrases like "it's so refreshing to listen to underground rap artist 'xyz' that doesn't talk about the usual about bitches, hoes, money, drugs, bling, chains, guns, vaginas, crack rocks, strippers, making it rain like the mainstream does".... never utter them again!

djchameleon · 02-14-2011, 03:01 AM

stop the proceedings sir.

While I agree with you what will newbies to the rap genre have to say then if not oh i like so and so artist because they don't rap about guns and hoes?

What will the haters of rap genres have to say if they aren't allowed to scream these stereotypes from the top of their lungs?

supermarlin · 02-14-2011, 03:53 AM

The haters will just have to shut up and leave well enough alone like everyone else, I can't say I enjoy Black Metal very much but I don't rant about Satanism and the apparent evil that surrounded the members of the Norwegian scene in the early nineties...

djchameleon · 02-18-2011, 12:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FreezyCT

you want some irony...or even a contradiction?

my ipod is fulll of hell rell

haha it's good to have guilty pleasures though, I have loads of hell rell on my zune as well.

OccultHawk · 02-18-2011, 01:44 PM

I don't mind if rappers want to branch out into new territory... as long as it's weed. Bitches, money, and weed. All other subject matter makes for boring hip hop. Stick to what you know.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 02-18-2011, 01:56 PM

Apart from the fact there's a difference from 'hos' and 'hoes', well put.

OccultHawk · 02-18-2011, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skaligojurah

Apart from the fact there's a difference from 'hos' and 'hoes', well put.

'Hoes' is a reference to marijuana horticulture.

djchameleon · 02-18-2011, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OccultHawk

'Hoes' is a reference to marijuana horticulture.

gtfo stop lying lol

I have never heard that before

~~James~~ · 02-18-2011, 03:33 PM

rap is all guns and hoes

RESURRECTION.

djchameleon · 02-18-2011, 03:43 PM

on the fourth day, "rap is all guns and hoes" was resurrected and all was good in the world

02-14-2011, 12:07 AM	#1 (permalink)
pourmeanother Saaaad Panda Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 852	RIP "rap is all guns and hoes" Can we finally put to rest commentary on rap that involves a comparison to "guns and hoes"? Common phrases: -"I don't listen to rap it's all about bitches and hoes and money." -"Artist 'x' is so refreshing because he doesn't rap about the standard bitches and hoes like the mainstream." -"I only listen to underground because mainstream is all money and bling." Why ^these phrases should be buried... -If you don't listen to rap because you think it's all about bitches and hoes and money, then you have never given rap a chance in the first place. Women and money are common themes in rap, like all genres of music. So, while these topics may appear more common, they are far from the only items covered. If you truly want to give rap a chance, take the 12 seconds to research the thousands of artists who go more in depth than that. -Artists no longer need to be praised for deviating from bitches and hoes in their lyrical content. Is it really all that surprising to hear a new track that talks about "real" topics? As many members of this site can attest, most rap fans' music library are comprised of hundreds or even thousands of tracks that fit into this category. So it may be refreshing to hear a new track that offers some quality lyrical content, but it is not some new, groundbreaking idea to talk current events, politics, love, life, etc... so please don't act like it is. -The concept of underground and mainstream has become very convoluted with the onset of the internet and mass music sharing. Atmosphere, once considered a cool "underground" group by their 37 billion listeners, just had an album chart at #5 on the Billboard 200. For the most part, if you've heard of someone they probably aren't underground anymore. Beyond this, if you can still categorize a "mainstream" and an "underground"... money and bling is rampant in mainstream rap, and, guess what?, also exists in the underground. By the same token, thoughtful and insightful rap exists in both the underground and mainstream, albeit less common as it is harder to sell to the masses. Chances are your underground isn't underground, and it probably is not that much more lyrically thoughtful at its core than anything else. RIP to phrases like "it's so refreshing to listen to underground rap artist 'xyz' that doesn't talk about the usual about bitches, hoes, money, drugs, bling, chains, guns, vaginas, crack rocks, strippers, making it rain like the mainstream does".... never utter them again! __________________ Life is just blah, blah, blah You hope for blah And sometimes you find it, but mostly it's blah And waiting for blah And hoping you were right about the blahs you made And then, just when you think you've got the whole blah'd damn thing figured out And you're surrounded by the ones you blah Death shows up... anddd blah, blah, blah.

02-14-2011, 03:53 AM	#3 (permalink)
supermarlin Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 255	The haters will just have to shut up and leave well enough alone like everyone else, I can't say I enjoy Black Metal very much but I don't rant about Satanism and the apparent evil that surrounded the members of the Norwegian scene in the early nineties...

02-18-2011, 01:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
OccultHawk one-balled nipple jockey Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Dirty Souf Biatch Posts: 22,033	I don't mind if rappers want to branch out into new territory... as long as it's weed. Bitches, money, and weed. All other subject matter makes for boring hip hop. Stick to what you know.

02-18-2011, 03:33 PM	#9 (permalink)
~~James~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,483	rap is all guns and hoes RESURRECTION.