Music Banter

Go Back   Music Banter > The Music Forums > Rap & Hip-Hop
Register Blogging Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Welcome to Music Banter Forum! Make sure to register - it's free and very quick! You have to register before you can post and participate in our discussions with over 70,000 other registered members. After you create your free account, you will be able to customize many options, you will have the full access to over 1,100,000 posts.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-04-2012, 09:35 PM   #161 (permalink)
Music Addict
 
FrigginParadox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: NY/LA
Posts: 293
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuna View Post
Perhaps but I know college guys who listen to them
wow ok now that is very strange hahaha

and Jans has a point
FrigginParadox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2012, 09:41 PM   #162 (permalink)
Mate, Spawn & Die
 
Janszoon's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Posts: 24,038
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smegma covered bell-end View Post
But you said 2Pac is awful though when all you meant was his music is dull and bores you. You don't see a difference between me saying Jay-Z is awful and I can't stand him but he is decent at what he does?
Decent at making crappy music, sure.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Smegma covered bell-end View Post
Personal opinion isn't synonymous with fact. I was discussing The Smiths with someone the other day and they said any band in the world is better than them because he hates them. How does that work? If I hated Led Zep I'd just say I don't like them, I wouldn't say they are awful because that is obviously not true, awful would be someone like LMFAO.
Personal opinion isn't synonymous with fact. Exactly. The Smiths aren't factually good, I just like them.

But let's discuss your example of LMFAO. You think they're terrible, I actually think they're a decent pop group. Imagine they somehow remain popular for the next 15 years and even *gasp* influence people. Would you start thinking they should be immune to criticism or would you still think they were terrible? I ask this question because it was my exact experience with Jay-Z.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by P A N View Post
i'm not gonna spend my life on music banter trying to convince people the earth is flat.
A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man

Time & Place

25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die


last.fm
Janszoon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2012, 09:42 PM   #163 (permalink)
Music Addict
 
midnight rain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,662
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Janszoon View Post
Okay. Now imagine if you will that One Direction continues being popular for the next 15 yearsno increase in quality or anything, they just continue to be popular. Would you at that point decide that they're somehow good? If people told you that they were influential, would you suddenly regard them as worthwhile?
I don't see it being the case. The whole idea behind being influential is that you were groundbreaking in some respect, that you did something new that a lot of artists hoped to emulate. It's like saying The Hives were influential to a bunch of post-punk revival bands when all they did was emulate bands that came before them.

I think it kind of is an antithesis to the whole bottom line behind being influential.
__________________
last.fm
midnight rain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2012, 09:43 PM   #164 (permalink)
not really
 
Sparky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 5,218
Default

janz using hypothetical scenario's to prove invalid point

lmfao, one direction are the product of a team of musicians, they're merely there to sell the image. I'm sure LMFAOs songwriters are going to be getting paid a decade later in some form.
Sparky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2012, 09:46 PM   #165 (permalink)
Music Addict
 
FrigginParadox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: NY/LA
Posts: 293
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
janz using hypothetical scenario's to prove invalid point

lmfao, one direction are the product of a team of musicians, they're merely there to sell the image. I'm sure LMFAOs songwriters are going to be getting paid a decade later in some form.
Exactly, music like that is made to be trendy and hit makers purely for money
FrigginParadox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2012, 09:49 PM   #166 (permalink)
Music Addict
 
midnight rain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,662
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
janz using hypothetical scenario's to prove invalid point

lmfao, one direction are the product of a team of musicians, they're merely there to sell the image. I'm sure LMFAOs songwriters are going to be getting paid a decade later in some form.
Yeah the whole thing about being influential is that you did something worth emulating. Not sure One Direction has done anything worth a salt
__________________
last.fm
midnight rain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2012, 09:51 PM   #167 (permalink)
Mate, Spawn & Die
 
Janszoon's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Posts: 24,038
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuna View Post
I don't see it being the case. The whole idea behind being influential is that you were groundbreaking in some respect, that you did something new that a lot of artists hoped to emulate. It's like saying The Hives were influential to a bunch of post-punk revival bands when all they did was emulate bands that came before them.

I think it kind of is an antithesis to the whole bottom line behind being influential.
But what I'm saying is that, when I first heard Jay-Z back in the 90s, he wasn't groundbreaking. He wasn't anything new. He was just another generic guy with a hit song. But he continued to be popular year after year and then at some point I started encountering people like yourself who consider him some sort of unassailable icon. What I'm asking you is, if you were in that boat, would you suddenly decide the crappy guy wasn't crappy?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by P A N View Post
i'm not gonna spend my life on music banter trying to convince people the earth is flat.
A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man

Time & Place

25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die


last.fm
Janszoon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2012, 09:52 PM   #168 (permalink)
not really
 
Sparky's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 5,218
Default

janz are you seriously unable to see why someone else would like jay z?
Sparky is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2012, 09:57 PM   #169 (permalink)
Music Addict
 
midnight rain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 1,662
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Janszoon View Post
But what I'm saying is that, when I first heard Jay-Z back in the 90s, he wasn't groundbreaking. He wasn't anything new. He was just another generic guy with a hit song. But he continued to be popular year after year and then at some point I started encountering people like yourself who consider him some sort of unassailable icon. What I'm asking you is, if you were in that boat, would you suddenly decide the crappy guy wasn't crappy?
I still think Bob Dylan is crappy, despite the praise heaped on him. So it's not a matter of converting personal opinion so much as recognizing what the artist did.

And I know this conversation started with you dissing Jay-Z, but as someone who's not a big fan I'm not gonna try and justify his greatness (someone else is surely more qualified and knowledgable to do that). This is coming more from your opinion on 2pac
__________________
last.fm
midnight rain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-04-2012, 09:57 PM   #170 (permalink)
Mate, Spawn & Die
 
Janszoon's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
Posts: 24,038
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparky View Post
janz using hypothetical scenario's to prove invalid point

lmfao, one direction are the product of a team of musicians, they're merely there to sell the image. I'm sure LMFAOs songwriters are going to be getting paid a decade later in some form.
Totally missing the point there Sparky. The example has nothing to do with LMFAO. Pick any current artist that you find generic and uninteresting as an example and imagine some time in the future when some people consider them one of "the greats". Would you suddenly start considering them great?
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by P A N View Post
i'm not gonna spend my life on music banter trying to convince people the earth is flat.
A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man

Time & Place

25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die


last.fm
Janszoon is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes



2003-2019 Advameg, Inc.

SEO by vBSEO 3.5.2 ©2010, Crawlability, Inc.