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Engine 05-06-2013 05:20 PM

Favorite Dead Rappers (excluding 2Pac & Biggie)
 
Please don't simply list a bunch of rappers who have shuffled off this mortal coil.
Tell us which ones you actually like and why.

I like Tim Dog (died February 2013) because he built his career by dissing Compton and NWA in the late 80s, which was pretty funny.



Later he made some interesting music with Kool Keith (the duo was called Ultra).



Tim Dog's career lasted many years and he generally held onto his old-school delivery. And he stayed vulgar to the end.

Janszoon 05-06-2013 05:28 PM

I'm going to get in on the ground floor with some Big L love. He just had a great style that sounds like an intersection between everything that had happened in hip hop in late 80s and first half of the 90s. His first album has come to be one of my favorites of the 90s.

billyblaze 05-06-2013 05:37 PM

Ol' Dirty Bastard...

He was bizarre...and he completed the Wu tang circle with his crazy ass raps. Baby, I got yo' money.

14232949 05-06-2013 05:40 PM

^ Yeah Big L and Big Pun would be the obvious ones. Pun was probably one of the all time most gifted rhymers in the way he was able to deliver complex verses at a high speed. As for L his use of local slang and unorthodox rhyming schemes were what made him such a unique entity. Would have been interesting to see what they two would have done next, I know Pun was trying to lose weight at the time of his death; he did a lot of stuff with Fat Joe and the like so he may have had a crack at the mainstream. Alternately he may have opted to remain somewhat underground as he was a prominent figure in the battle scene of South New York. Big L was also a notorious rap battler but the fact L had just signed with Rockafella leads me to beleive he probably would have went on to garner considerable media attention and be held in the same regard as Jigga and Nas in the eyes of the casual follower as well as increasing his popularity tenfold.

Other than them two, I never really hear much about Mac Dre. Although he's released a ton of music and was credited with being the innovator of some Bay Area movement, he's rarely discussed. I've never seen him as one of the greats, but I guess I can dig his style, it's by in large more party orientated (or at least what I've heard is)


Engine 05-06-2013 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1316402)
I'm going to get in on the ground floor with some Big L love. He just had a great style that sounds like an intersection between everything that had happened in hip hop in late 80s and first half of the 90s. His first album has come to be one of my favorites of the 90s.

Word up. I haven't listened to that album in forever, but I'm about to. Also, did that documentary on him ever get released?


Goofle 05-06-2013 05:41 PM

Eyedea has become a favourite of mine. I don't have much of his material downloaded but regularly scour YouTube for anything he's on. Great lyrics, and usually interesting production.

ODB has some of my favourite verses ever too.

Not to forget MC Guru of Gang Starr.

djchameleon 05-06-2013 05:49 PM

Capital Punishment from Big Punisher. If you could get over his pauses where he would stop to take breathes because of his weight. I feel like Fat Joe just stepped in and took over where Pun would have finished but Pun would have did it better lyrically.




Engine 05-06-2013 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant (Post 1316409)
Other than them two, I never really hear much about Mac Dre. Although he's released a ton of music and was credited with being the innovator of some Bay Area movement, he's rarely discussed. I've never seen him as one of the greats, but I guess I can dig his style, it's by in large more party orientated (or at least what I've heard is)

I've never really listened to Mac Dre but I like the song you posted. It definitely has that Heiroglyphics sound, which I guess is the Bay Area style.

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Originally Posted by Goofle11 (Post 1316411)
Eyedea has become a favourite of mine. I don't have much of his material downloaded but regularly scour YouTube for anything he's on. Great lyrics, and usually interesting production.

ODB has some of my favourite verses ever too.

Not to forget MC Guru of Gang Starr.

All excellent. I'm particularly partial to Eyedea just because he was a skinny white boy who was better than almost everybody at an early age. I still occasionally think about how easily he could have lived if only he went to sleep face-up when he overdosed.

ODB was, in my opinion, one of the most interesting rappers to ever live.

Guru.. I don't even know what to say. He helped make hip-hop something that everybody has heard.

Goofle 05-06-2013 06:10 PM

Yeah, I need to retract my comment on the other thread.

djchameleon 05-06-2013 06:12 PM

Another one of my faves that I feel gets overlooked when it comes to talking about dead rappers is Proof. He has two solo albums and the work he did with D12.

Em does tend to mention him pretty often though throughout various songs because of how much of a mentor he was to him.


Engine 05-06-2013 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1316429)
Another one of my faves that I feel gets overlooked when it comes to talking about dead rappers is Proof. He has two solo albums and the work he did with D12.

Em does tend to mention him pretty often though throughout various songs because of how much of a mentor he was to him.

I never got very familiar with D12 but Proof always seemed like the best of them. There's a reason that Eminem respected him.


I'm going to bring up another one that makes me sad: MCA aka Adam Yauch

There's no way those kids would have made it without his deep voice floating in the sea of nasal sounds that was the Beastie Boys. Here's a song with some of my favorite MCA stuff.


14232949 05-07-2013 11:51 AM

this talk of Eyedea on the other page, have any of you guys heard Sadistick's album which talks about his death amongst other things.
It's called Flowers for my Father and it's one of the best hip-hop albums I've heard in the last few years, and there's been a lot of good ones.

Goofle 05-07-2013 02:11 PM

Yeah, that's a good album. Need to listen to it again as it kind of just passed me by.

14232949 05-07-2013 04:24 PM

I found it to be deeply engaging, I was hooked on every word.

SGR 05-08-2013 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Engine (Post 1316433)
I never got very familiar with D12 but Proof always seemed like the best of them. There's a reason that Eminem respected him.


I'm going to bring up another one that makes me sad: MCA aka Adam Yauch

There's no way those kids would have made it without his deep voice floating in the sea of nasal sounds that was the Beastie Boys. Here's a song with some of my favorite MCA stuff.


The Beasties are awesome. Incredibly solid discography.

I feel the need to mention Pimp C. Him and Bun B had INCREDIBLE chemistry together with Pimps high pitched voice and Bun's low southern drawl.


Engine 05-09-2013 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 1316860)
I feel the need to mention Pimp C. Him and Bun B had INCREDIBLE chemistry together with Pimps high pitched voice and Bun's low southern drawl.

Yes, I agree with that. He's definitely one of the best dead rappers in the game.

SGR 05-09-2013 05:33 AM

Yeah Pimp C and Bun B are some of the lucky rappers who were born with an incredibly distinctive voice. I think that definitely gives them an advantage over competition.

anticipation 05-09-2013 07:57 AM

Subroc, Keith Cowboy, Scott la Rock.

Cuthbert 05-09-2013 11:36 PM

All of mine have already been said.

Was never big on Pun though. Dunno why.

SGR 05-10-2013 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1317502)
Was never big on Pun though. Dunno why.

Hahaha, I see what you did there! ;)

Surell 05-10-2013 02:40 PM

I'm going to include a producer because I think that's legit:






Goofle 05-10-2013 03:49 PM

Really didn't like the only DJ Screw album I listened to. I can see the influence and what not, but it bored me.

Cuthbert 05-10-2013 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 1317540)
Hahaha, I see what you did there! ;)

Unintentional, but, I'll take it :cool:

Engine 05-10-2013 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 1317218)
Subroc, Keith Cowboy, Scott la Rock.

Good ones but you didn't say anything. I'll get Subroc for you:

Subroc was Zev Love X's brother and collaborator on one of the best rap groups of whatever time that was. That was KMD and Zev Love X is now MF Doom. Subroc died in a tragic jaywalking accident which is one of the reasons that DOOM got darker with age.



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Originally Posted by Surell (Post 1317733)
I'm going to include a producer because I think that's legit:

Nice choice. And DJ Screw rapped a bit - like on this song:


FrigginParadox 05-12-2013 09:51 PM

CHarizma who was with peanut butter wolf was dope too

Surell 05-14-2013 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Goofle11 (Post 1317779)
Really didn't like the only DJ Screw album I listened to. I can see the influence and what not, but it bored me.

It can wear on you after awhile, and none of the rapping is that great (even UGK, which I suppose were still in their formative years when he was churning out tapes), but some of his stuff sounds like dripped out RZA to me, kinda jazzy and soulful but low key. I couldn't find the stuff I was most familiar with on Youtube, Spotify has some good selections though.

SGR 05-14-2013 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Surell (Post 1318883)
It can wear on you after awhile, and none of the rapping is that great (even UGK, which I suppose were still in their formative years when he was churning out tapes), but some of his stuff sounds like dripped out RZA to me, kinda jazzy and soulful but low key. I couldn't find the stuff I was most familiar with on Youtube, Spotify has some good selections though.

Which album would you say is better, "3 in the morning pt 1" or "3 in the morning pt 2"?

Scotty The Rebel 05-18-2013 12:38 AM

Just felt as if Rich Cronin (of LFO) needed a mention here. He was known to put a little Rap into his Pop.

Surell 05-18-2013 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks (Post 1318913)
Which album would you say is better, "3 in the morning pt 1" or "3 in the morning pt 2"?

You got me again man. I just started gettin into his stuff recently, having just seen him on Spotify. They have a million little compilations and mixtapes under him, but I'ma check those albums out for sho. Which one were you more into?

Janszoon 05-18-2013 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by FrigginParadox (Post 1318491)
CHarizma who was with peanut butter wolf was dope too

I was going to say this myself. His style of rapping actually reminds me of Big L in a weird way. Love this track especially:


Surell 05-18-2013 01:01 AM

Charizma kinda looks like Kendrick Lamaar do'

xplicit 05-18-2013 01:01 AM

Xplicit
 
Jam Master Jay, Chris Kelly

Janszoon 05-18-2013 01:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Surell (Post 1320389)
Charizma kinda looks like Kendrick Lamaar do'

You mean Kendrick Lamaar looks like Charizma. :)

Surell 05-18-2013 01:21 AM

oh well yeah.

SGR 05-18-2013 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Surell (Post 1320381)
You got me again man. I just started gettin into his stuff recently, having just seen him on Spotify. They have a million little compilations and mixtapes under him, but I'ma check those albums out for sho. Which one were you more into?

Haha, I was actually asking b/c I hadn't checked out his albums either! I've heard tracks from him before and have been interested, but I've never really known what was the best album of his to start with.

Goofle 05-18-2013 06:53 AM

I listened to "3 'n the Mornin': Part Two [Blue]" and that seems to be very highly regarded. Available on Spotify too.

Soulflower 05-18-2013 11:11 AM

Jam Master Jay
Guru
Eazy E
Old Dirty Bastard
Heavy D

Cuthbert 05-18-2013 04:50 PM

Just remembered this guy, Esco:


Escobar practice hours 2 - YouTube

Jermain Defoe's brother.

Sick MC.

Electrophonic Tonic 05-22-2013 10:08 PM

I'm not sure who my vote is for, but safe to say Tim Dawg is off the list...

Tim Dawg faked his own death

From A.V. Club
Quote:

Hardcore rap provocateur Timothy Blair, a.k.a. Tim Dog (most famous for his NWA diss track “Fuck Compton” and work with Ultramagnetic MCs) reportedly died back in February from complications related to diabetes. But a growing stream of evidence has begun to suggest that, actually, Tim Dog faked his death in an attempt to avoid paying women he’d scammed into financially supporting a comeback album he never intended to make.

Last week, Esther Pilgrim, one of the victims of Tim Dog’s scamming, claimed he’d been faking his death to escape paying her the $19,000 required by the court after his conviction for grand larceny. A private investigator hired by Pilgrim could find no evidence of a death certificate issued for Blair, but did discover an apparently active address of his in Atlanta.

Now, WREG-TV reports that a judge in Desoto County, MS has issued an arrest warrant for Tim Dog. Prosecutor Steven Jubera noted in the report that none of the obituaries for Blair noted where he was buried (including The A.V. Club’s), instead linking back to the same report by The Source, and that “as far as I’m concerned, he’s alive.”

Even those closest to Blair doubt his death. His collaborator Cedric “Ced-Gee” Miller of Ultramagnetic MCs has voiced suspicions about Blair’s death, refusing to speak at the funeral because the family could not produce a death certificate. Ced-Gee now claims the funeral never actually happened. And All Hip-Hop reports that the funeral did happen but that not only was it not administered by the family, there was no body. According to the report, the family members themselves believe Blair to be alive, adding yet another twist to a story that promises to tip into outright insanity.

Janszoon 05-22-2013 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Electrophonic Tonic (Post 1323075)
I'm not sure who my vote is for, but safe to say Tim Dawg is off the list...

Tim Dawg faked his own death

From A.V. Club

Holy crap!


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