Originally Posted by Thom Yorke (Post 1356754)

The Kendrick Lamar hype blows my mind. I just straight up don't get it. I just find him irritating to listen to.

Originally Posted by Goofle11 (Post 1356841)

He picked out some hot average rappers. Easy targets. K.R.I.T. is better of course, but doubt most people who like Kendrick would agree.

Originally Posted by FrigginParadox (Post 1356742)

Well in kendricks case it is different. its not like he dissed them. He pretty much said that he loves thoes guys but it's comipetion so he is trying to best them all.

Its interesting he didnt mention Danny Brown, Joey Badass, Earl Sweatshirt and Action Bronson. I mean thoes are currently talked about as top new lyricist right now weather you agree or disagree with it or not, its a fact they are talked about as on top. The only one on top he mentioe was Krit, maybe because he isnt making as much noise as there guys

Originally Posted by Fluffy Kittens (Post 1356821)

Well the dictionary definition of classic actually mentions time:



Why's it so ridiculous that we can't judge it over a period of time? It could sound good now & dated in 10 years, or it could be ahead of it's time. A classic should be able to last the ages. This is why I don't think MMLP is a classic for example, most of the production sounds dated and very 'of the time' in a bad way, that doesn't mean I don't like it. I hammered it for a solid year when it came out and because it was when I started secondary school I feel nostalgic listening to it, doesn't mean I can't be objective about it though. I actually don't think Eminem has any classics to be honest.

I think as a general rule of thumb a classic album should tread some new ground or expand on something that's already been done and take it to a new level. You can't just make an album full of catchy tunes that isn't innovative at all and call it a classic. I don't care how many people listen to it in 20 years time or whatever. The whole thing is pretty subjective though imo.

I can't count the amount of times I've heard a new release, been giddy over it then a couple weeks later it's been gathering dust. I look back a few years after it came out and I realise it wasn't all that. Take Dizzee's Boy In Da Corner for example, nobody can deny that's a classic album. It is ten years old this week and still sounds fresh today, nobody has managed to recreate that sound and he was definitely ahead of his time and definitely trod new ground, there was no filler and fans of all genres can appreciate how good that was and entirely self produced at 17 years old. I'd say it's a classic album.



There were white rappers before him. Fact is if he wasn't skilled he'd have been found out quickly and he wasn't. '98-'02 he was up there.

Originally Posted by realtalk92 (Post 1356853)

You make a good point.

I just think it is possible those rappers could interpret those name drops in a different way. Kendrick is basically saying that he is the best out now and that these rappers need to recognize because he is not going to let anyone take his crown.

I could see someone easily attacking him just off that alone.

I think its low to put himself on the same level as Nas in the first place. We know your the best out now so why do you have to make a song about it?

I thought he was above that which is why I am shocked. His lyrics are more conscious and not all "im the best, im the best yada yada" I hope he didnt let hov get in his ear. lol

You dont have to do that. If your the best let your music speak for itself

Originally Posted by realtalk92 (Post 1356853)

You make a good point.

I just think it is possible those rappers could interpret those name drops in a different way. Kendrick is basically saying that he is the best out now and that these rappers need to recognize because he is not going to let anyone take his crown.

I could see someone easily attacking him just off that alone.

I think its low to put himself on the same level as Nas in the first place. We know your the best out now so why do you have to make a song about it?

I thought he was above that which is why I am shocked. His lyrics are more conscious and not all "im the best, im the best yada yada" I hope he didnt let hov get in his ear. lol

You dont have to do that. If your the best let your music speak for itself

Originally Posted by Arya Stark (Post 1356924)

I was just going to say, whether or not you like Kendrick, you have to admit he's waking everyone up.

Here's Joel Ortiz's response

Originally Posted by Arya Stark (Post 1356595)

People are just saying that some of the rappers in the game like Jay-Z are getting old. Not my words. Paraphrased from Hot 97.

I think more people are just surprised that he became so intense all of a sudden, I don't really think they think it's "ridiculous."

Originally Posted by TheBig3 (Post 1357184)

Hip hop is the most age-oriented genre there is. I don't get it at all. New =/= good

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1356922)

lol guys it's not that serious.

"oh I thought he was above this"

No, he's a rapper it's encoded in your dna to be braggadocios. He probably felt that there wasn't anything going on at the moment so he wanted to stir up stuff and it's not even that big of a deal.

Originally Posted by Mankycaaant (Post 1357244)

man, it's easy to slag K.Dot's growing ego but if any of us were in the same position where we were his combination of successful and talented, we'd probably do exactly the same.
If K.Dot knows he's better than trash like Wale he has every right to call him to task, I'd do it.

As for the guys that have responded, none of them have any name value apart from maybe BOB but he's wack so his opinion doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by realtalk92 (Post 1357195)

LOL

All rappers are not like that lol If you are the best and if you are confident in your skill then you dont have to do that. If nobody hasnt attacked a rapper personally why are they trying to stir up unnessary drama that could possibly draw attention away from their music? When you have raw talent you shouldnt have to do things like that.

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1357290)

What are you even talking about? Name any rapper, even the most conscious one you can think of and I'll show you a track where he claims to be the best. A vast majority does it and there is nothing wrong with it.

Originally Posted by FrigginParadox (Post 1357320)

yeah you are a hundred percent right every rapper says he is the best in atleast one track but maybe he is talking bout to the extent they say it you know?

Originally Posted by Mankycaaant (Post 1357279)

Welcome to Music Banter J Zilla. Yeah, I think you're probably on the money there. Hip-hop more so than any other genre has always been a competition.
We all like to sound-off on who our favourite MC's are, who's the top 5, the GOAT, etc. You don't really see that with prog rock or jazz fans, etc.
It's an environment in which every rapper believes he is top 5 material and every rapper has the belief that they are the alpha male.

Kendrick's lines aren't any more far fetched than when Nas and Jay-Z decided to battle one another over who held the unofficial 'King of New York' title for example. It's just we haven't had a rapper (maybe with the exception of Kanye) who's come out in some time and said look, I'm the best, prove me wrong.
I think that's only going to enhance the scene as a whole, which has been really good in the last few years. It's the old cliché about tougher competition increasing every individuals efforts as they all vie for attention, for the limelight, for the right to be a Top 5 MC.
Kendrick is undoubtedly the hottest act in the hip-hop scene at the moment and if anyone had the right to say they were the best at the current time, it's him. I hope for diss tracks to ensue out the back of this, I know this isn't a diss per se, but you know what rappers are like they'll take personal shots at one another over less than this and for us sitting in the sidelines watching, that can only be a good thing.

Originally Posted by djchameleon (Post 1357324)

Yeah, I was just talking about in general not that they say they are the best all the time.

Originally Posted by Surell (Post 1357776)

Kendrick really knows how to use his hype, that's pretty much all that's happening here. The King of NY line does give me a chuckle, though, and it's relevant, as that's about all anyone cares about.