Kendrick Lamar on Big Sean's "Control" and Hip Hop Universe Goes Crazy

~~Soulflower~~ · 08-13-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Goofle11

Big K.R.I.T. is way better than Kendrick.

Is he a commercial rapper? Ive never heard of him. Can you recommend some songs to check out?

You're right, there are better rappers..... but Kendrick is a breath of fresh air for the hiphop/rap stations that have been plagued with cookie cutter generic rappers and rap songs.

Thom Yorke · 08-13-2013, 01:55 PM

The Kendrick Lamar hype blows my mind. I just straight up don't get it. I just find him irritating to listen to.

Arya Stark · 08-13-2013, 01:56 PM

Do you? Like you don't like him at all?

Thom Yorke · 08-13-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Arya Stark

Do you? Like you don't like him at all?

I thought Section.80 was decent, with some standout tracks like **** Your Ethnicity, but still thought it was overhyped a bit. I consider GKMC the most overrated album in any genre in a very long time. I wasn't feeling any of it but it seems like it's universally loved by everyone from dickriders to acclaimed critics.

His voice and flow is just annoying to me. I can't listen to him for an extended period of time. I'm not seeing the lyrical genius that everyone else seems to see either. He's undeniably huge right now though; I just don't understand why.

FrigginParadox · 08-13-2013, 02:08 PM

even though i loved section 80 i do agree its overrated but i did love GKMC a lot tho.

and realtalk is right, he is just a breath of fresh air

Kurrupt did a similar thing 14 years ago, and kendrick mentions korrupt earlier in his verse

~~Soulflower~~ · 08-13-2013, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Thom Yorke

I thought Section.80 was decent, with some standout tracks like **** Your Ethnicity, but still thought it was overhyped a bit. I consider GKMC the most overrated album in any genre in a very long time. I wasn't feeling any of it but it seems like it's universally loved by everyone from dickriders to acclaimed critics.

His voice and flow is just annoying to me. I can't listen to him for an extended period of time. I'm not seeing the lyrical genius that everyone else seems to see either. He's undeniably huge right now though; I just don't understand why.

Really? I thought Watch The Throne was.... I rather hear a song like Poetic Justic saturating the air waves than a song like Ni***r in Paris

Sparky · 08-13-2013, 03:01 PM

don't understand the kenderick hype myself either. Him being the greatest just seemed to be how he was marketed from the get-go. I thought the jay verse was a lot more creative and interesting.

That whole black hippy label is overrated. Stellar production team though.

14232949 · 08-13-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by realtalk92

Is he a commercial rapper? Ive never heard of him. Can you recommend some songs to check out?

You're right, there are better rappers..... but Kendrick is a breath of fresh air for the hiphop/rap stations that have been plagued with cookie cutter generic rappers and rap songs.

check out his King Remembered in Time mixtape or his Return of 4Eva, both stellar records.

**Goofle** · 08-13-2013, 03:31 PM

4Eva N a Day was also great.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 08-13-2013, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

See everyone on this forum harps on and on about "classics"
What makes an album a "classic", media telling you so? Time doesn't change anything. It just gives people an abhorrent illusion of nostalgia and a longing for the past. What you're in effect saying is an album can't reach "classic" status until it has aged to a certain point. But that is the weakest criteria I've ever heard for an upgrading in ones opinion of a subjective matter.
Biggie's albums are classics and GKMC, MBTDF, etc aren't because they're newer. That's just ridiculous.

Well the dictionary definition of classic actually mentions time:

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clas·sic
/ˈklasik/
Adjective
Judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind.

Why's it so ridiculous that we can't judge it over a period of time? It could sound good now & dated in 10 years, or it could be ahead of it's time. A classic should be able to last the ages. This is why I don't think MMLP is a classic for example, most of the production sounds dated and very 'of the time' in a bad way, that doesn't mean I don't like it. I hammered it for a solid year when it came out and because it was when I started secondary school I feel nostalgic listening to it, doesn't mean I can't be objective about it though. I actually don't think Eminem has any classics to be honest.

I think as a general rule of thumb a classic album should tread some new ground or expand on something that's already been done and take it to a new level. You can't just make an album full of catchy tunes that isn't innovative at all and call it a classic. I don't care how many people listen to it in 20 years time or whatever. The whole thing is pretty subjective though imo.

I can't count the amount of times I've heard a new release, been giddy over it then a couple weeks later it's been gathering dust. I look back a few years after it came out and I realise it wasn't all that. Take Dizzee's Boy In Da Corner for example, nobody can deny that's a classic album. It is ten years old this week and still sounds fresh today, nobody has managed to recreate that sound and he was definitely ahead of his time and definitely trod new ground, there was no filler and fans of all genres can appreciate how good that was and entirely self produced at 17 years old. I'd say it's a classic album.

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Are you honestly telling me Eminem would have had the same success if he weren't a gimmick rapper? His gimmick was that he was the white underdog in the black man's yard and if that weren't enough he had to run with the whole 'Slim Shady' shtick when the novelty of his colour started wearing off. After that came the worst of all Eminem stages in the self righteous 'my daughter this, my daughter that' stage. I just find Eminem repulsive and it insults me that people think he's one of the best.

There were white rappers before him. Fact is if he wasn't skilled he'd have been found out quickly and he wasn't. '98-'02 he was up there.

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FrigginParadox Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: NY/LA Posts: 293	even though i loved section 80 i do agree its overrated but i did love GKMC a lot tho. and realtalk is right, he is just a breath of fresh air Kurrupt did a similar thing 14 years ago, and kendrick mentions korrupt earlier in his verse __________________ Sound Cloud The Nostalgic Music Timeline of Paradox Last.FM Twitter Last edited by FrigginParadox; 08-13-2013 at 02:14 PM.

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Thom Yorke Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,848	The Kendrick Lamar hype blows my mind. I just straight up don't get it. I just find him irritating to listen to.

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Sparky not really Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 5,223	don't understand the kenderick hype myself either. Him being the greatest just seemed to be how he was marketed from the get-go. I thought the jay verse was a lot more creative and interesting. That whole black hippy label is overrated. Stellar production team though.