If that is proof of Em's so called great flow, I rest my case he sucks, thanks :wave:

& "^ this comment made me laugh, what topics are you looking for him to discuss b/c the last time I checked every musician is pretty much limited to writing about life, so what topic are you waiting for

^Proof Jay-Z sucks. Time to start listening to some better rap in general, and to start actually paying attention to what others are saying. No one thinks Eminem is the best dude, you're fighting blind on this one.

I love that you posted one of my favorite songs off MCHG album :thumb: simple lyrics, yet the flow is sick :band:

I got dressed to this song this morning :band:

cherry picking one of his weaker tracks even though I do like that song.


I really like this track because he mentions being looked down on for being what people call "new money" as opposed to the people that he hangs around or in his area that have old money.

LOL.

That flow, my 88 year old grandmother could flow like that if she was rapping at that speed. He can't spit, so he resorts to this slow, almost spoken word style of rapping.

You think that's good, I'm not surprised you don't like Eminem, or other rappers who are more skilled than Jay-Z.

Hahaha, his lyricism is atrocious. I'm sorry, but I can't get into stuff like that.

Jay-Z doesn't have any good selling points for people who've heard much better stuff, his production isn't very good, his delivery is slow and like I said about the lyrics, etc.

:rofl: "pardon my laughing i happen to think you sweet"

Give granny a mic then

In English, please.

:rofl: you really are sweet

Why is slow delivery a point against him?

Do you hate on all southern rappers because of their slow delivery?

lol at ass napkins trollin

slow delivery - less skill required


i think jay has some skill but yes hes always been over rated as a rapper

Hopefully this is you trolling b/c there's too much **** in that bull

Wait how am I sweet? :crazy:

That is complete bullshit

Are you trying to say that Big K.R.I.T. isn't skilled because he has a slow delivery?

Or even Bun B? or Trae The Truth?

GTFO

i wont even respond to u anymore. you literally do this in every discussion i think we have ever had

i say 'slow deliver requires less skill'

and you say 'so you're saying they have no skill;


just read what i write and stop twisting my words. you do it constantly and i wont discuss with u until u stop

thanks

It's a matter of opinion.

If Eminem's got bad flow and delivery, I'd like to know what it says about Jay-Z when he's the slower of the two.

Personally I don't think the vocals matter that much. If Jay-Z's music (as in production/beats) was good, it'd be different. His music is boring, and while everyone talks about how Eminem is always rapping about his mom, Jay-Z only really raps about himself.

Wait, you understand "English" now?:bonkhead:

When did I not understand English?

Man, you probably get lost easily.

nope, not true.


yeah , I would say it's a preference issue but I wouldn't say someone has more skill just because they can rap faster than someone else.

Delivery speed is NOT an indication that someone has more skill than another person.

holy ****, :rofl: to you getting lost on your own comments

I'll revert to my previous comment "pardon my laughing I happen to think your sweet"

You're hating too hard, stop it. None of that is remotely credible

FTD is right though. Jay-Z sucks incredibly hard. I've never found anything appealing about him at all.

Jeez cant a guy just enjoy both Em and Jay-z?

Also heres a p cool rapper and oh my he's white i guess

I hate when people refer to an artist as though they "suck". It's the most limited and unintelligent way of telling someone you dislike them with absolutely no input why.

lol. I actually did give "input why" though: there is literally nothing I find enjoyable about his music.

Jay-Z is easy to listen to for the casual fan who isn't really that into Hip-Hop because of the production and the hooks.


JAY-Z - Izzo (H.O.V.A.) - YouTube

Jay-Z is insecure as fhuck, this next song is :o:


Jay-Z - December 4th (Official Music Video) - YouTube

Corny as fhuck.

That's the thing though, I find his production incredibly dull and his hooks to be nonexistent. I'm utterly mystified by his popularity and by the idea that he'd be easy to listen to for anyone.

Matter of taste I guess but those tracks I posted, you can easily see why they appeal imo.

I was a Jay-Z fan, when I was about 12, because of tracks like the first one. It's like Hip-Hop for school children.

Lol.

Not very smart, are we?

Let me break this down step by step.

1. You say "pardon i happen to think you sweet", which literally makes no sense in English.

2. I ask you to rephrase in English.

3. You rephrase.

4. I understand, but don't understand why you think I'm sweet.

5. I don't speak English????

:rofl: "pardon trollin happen to try and make you react in return"

I really can't, that's what I'm saying.

I was in my early twenties when I first heard him, maybe that's why I couldn't get into the whole hip hop for school children aspect. My introduction was "Hard Knock Life", which they used to play a lot on the radio station my boss listened to. I thought it was just kind of annoying. Many years went by and I was surprised to discover that this guy who I thought of as a one hit wonder had become sort of... well regarded. So I checked out The Grey Album because it sounded interesting. Problem was it kind of forgettable. Thinking I should give him a chance with a legitimate album, I then got Reasonable Doubt, which also turned out to be completely forgettable, and frankly, so dull it was hard to sit through all the way. A few years later I checked out The Blueprint, and had the same test-of-patience experience as Reasonable Doubt. Since then, my exposure to his music has consisted of watching YouTube videos of his songs that have been posted here on MB, not a single one of which I've found catchy or memorable in any way. Which brings us to my current situation of being totally perplexed by the fact that so many people seem to enjoy his music.

There's nothing appealing in his music. It's the production, it's so flat that it emphasizes his vocals and by way his awful lyrics.

He might have songs that have decent production that I haven't heard, but no one's brought them to my attention so I really don't care. I have a lot of hip-hop on my iPod, from artists that make solid album after solid album.

In the broadest sense, black musicians laid the groundwork for hip-hop and rock music and many other genres. So you could say they were responsible for the transition from an established genre to a new one

But white people took those foundations in rockabilly and spun them off in directions that I find far more interesting and enjoyable than any of that early rock & roll music of the 50's by the black artists. Would we have seen the same amount of innovation if the genre had been left alone exclusively to black culture? I doubt it.

White musicians were just as responsible for rock as black musicians.

You'd be hard pressed to accurately 'measure' how much each race contributed to the genre


don't see a reason why anyone would want to either but this Lord Jamar guy seems a bit starved of attention

http://images.zaazu.com/img/male10-m...0049-large.gif

Why do you doubt it?

You can't really, but it seems to me that there are just as many influential white musicians as there are influential black musicians.

Rockabilly is pretty much just country.

who voted yes with the white guilt?? lmao

i dont think anyone can really deny the influence of black ppl on certain music genres, certainly with hip hop but i dont even think thats really what jamar is sayin. 'guest' implies temporary, i wonder what jamar thinks of eminem?? i dont know why he has to try and claim and entire genre for his race, blacks certainly are a part of many things white people had major influence in, so i wonder if he feels the same way in that regard. my guess is no

I shouldn't be speaking for him but Em probably falls into this category.
I felt like he was talking about Em, El-P, Beastie Boys as those that have studied the culture and truly love Hip Hop and that we've "allowed" to make themselves known.

FTR when I said those tracks appeal, I meant to the masses hence why he's popular. Not necessarily to me or you.

I assume he means that less variety of people and perspectives involved in a given genre is likely to lead to less innovation.