Are White Rappers Guests in Hip Hop?
 

Lord Jamar decided to open up his stupid fucking mouth again and say some straight retarded shit. First he was on that homophobe crap when he dissed Kanye for wearing the leather kilt and calling him a "half a fag" and now he makes this outrageous claim that white rappers are only guests in hip hop.

Here is a quote from him.

Do you guys feel that way? White rappers are only guests and they are in the process of trying to steal the culture away from black people the originators of the movement?

Also, do you feel like white rappers shouldn't have messages/agendas when they make their songs and they should stay in their lane?



Here is the full article if you want to read it and have your IQ drop a few points.
Lord Jamar Says White Rappers Are Guests In Hip Hop

LOL YES
See also: jazz music
See also: rock music
See also: ska music

Obviously not. Ridiculous notion.

What a racist wanker.

It's true that black people started hip hop but it's bull**** to think that it would stay exclusive to them. Long ago literacy, and subsequently writing, was almost strictly found among the upper class, where most authors came from. By Jamar's logic, lower class authors are impeding on the art of the upper class, and should know their place.

Cute false equivalency

Battle rapping has it's roots in Scotland also.

True stories.

These black ppl should realise they're coming to these battles as guests. The Scots have allowed them.

They're both silly and prejudiced thoughts based on art, so that was my connection but I guess you're right on the fallacy. There are obviously other things at play in the literacy part but you get my point.

So does this also mean that he thinks black women are guests in hip hop?

lol. I wonder how he feels about other genres that were pioneered by black people, like jazz and rock (which is basically dominated by whites now).

All music is for everyone to create and enjoy. No genre should be exclusive to specific races or ethnicities.

The problem with these statements is always the inverse. If being first (which is useless and has no actual value) means that everyone else is a guest, then there are a lot of guests to a lot of things. And when you take "First" which means nothing, and "Race" which means nothing, then you've got this idiot placing a ridiculous amount of value on what amounts to nothing. It's like asking if anyone has change for a sea shell.

But the assumption that white folks are guests in hip hop assumes that black people invented everything that has to do with hip hop - and they didn't. So thanks for being a guest to records, record players, electricity, the instruments that originally played the music that you use to sample music at the origin of hip hop, and the innumerate amount of things that goes along with it (i.e. the streets the block parties took place in where hip hop was debuted).

A stupid argument from some dip**** who came up with an opinion on emotions and no research, and apparently wasn't hugged enough as a child so now he needs attention. People like this are voluntarily weak (mentally) and don't do anything to improve the situation. He ruins society, in my opinion.

It really is a moronic set of statements. DJ was right to warn us of a loss of IQ upon reading the interview.

he probably lumps black women under the black man umbrella. just like the term "man" includes women when talking about mankind as a whole. You don't say womankind.

Pssh, I guess I'm just a "guest" in this thread then, and that Sansa is the only "true" replier since he was first.

i lol at ppl who wanna whine about "omg they are stealin their culture!"

stfu so tired of hearin that. those ppl often are more racist than the ppl they accuse, they are just too dumb to realize it

i have no clue who lord jamar is. not even sure what hes really saying but white ppl have a big part in hip hop and always will

also i see herm hasnt lost her white guilt lmao

The dude went a little to far but this guy up here has a point ^

Back in the day white people did steal jazz, rock, disco,ska and some more from blacks and they usually get no credit. But that was back when blacks were not racially fair. Nowadays it is evident that hiphop for the most part is culturally "Black" But that dosn't mean White people can not take part of the culture, ya know what i mean?

and Butthead Lord Jamar is from Brand Nubian

Hip hop is for people that are 6'1 and tons of fun. Everyone else is a guest.

I imagine that this thread won't end well

But since Em is the only credible (in terms of $sales) white rapper out there & both his flow & lyrics are mediocre at best I would say that at the moment yes we are guests, but vip guests

Beastie Boys? lol

Eminem's flow is not mediocre at all btw.

i lold

*lol'd

stans can't see straight, so I'll excuse your lack of taste.

keep fishin


love to hire u to follow me around and spell check me tho

I can't even take this seriously.

Some of the best hip-hop artists are white, and if a white person said the same thing he'd get ripped to shreds over it. Ridiculous.

"Some of the best hip-hop artists are white"

Really? can you name these guys

With all honesty, Em's flow and delivery is horrid, all he does is yell & his lyrics are extremely mediocre at best, he's more hype than talent.

There are loads, I'll leave it to other members though.

You're talking out of your arse if you think his flow is horrid. Eminem is/was an elite rapper, regardless of the crap he has been putting out since Lose Yourself.

Em has his faults, but flow is definitely not one of them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGAiervjo2E

I thought it was about record sales? Is it about record sales or flow/lyricism? Make up your mind first.

Talented and significant white rappers/djs/producers include: Slug, El-P, Aesop, DJ Shadow, Cut Chemist, the guys from Coldcut, RJD2...

I don't get what's the point of you saying this? Do you think he's NOT getting ripped to shreds?

Comprehend what you read b/c I stated that the only reason people view him as credible is b/c of his $ale$ and since society/the average retard off the street views sales/popularity as the bench mark for greatness that is the aguement that is made in Em's defense. However when you look at his discography, lyrics, flow & delivery it does not warrant such hype.


So I have to say Em is the best b/c I'm white, lol foh w/ that backwards logic

[QUOTE=Christian Benteke;1368897]There are loads, I'll leave it to other members though.

You're talking out of your arse if you think his flow is horrid. Eminem is/was an elite rapper, regardless of the crap he has been putting out since Lose Yourself.

Em has his faults, but flow is definitely not one of them.


Do you even know what flow? And if there are others why can't you name them?

We already know Eminem is over hyped. So is Jay-Z and you used to have a sig saying he is a genius ffs :D.

There are other great white rappers, El-P would have been the first I named.

No, it's not the only reason. This is just nonsense.

There are probably equal numbers of retards who say Em is basically shit because he's sold a lot of records, which is exactly what you're doing.

Eminem is a high level spitter, not much else.

Jay deserves his hype b/c unlike Em he lives up to his hype in all aspects. Jay is a lyrics, flow & delivery are on par with genius, I can't say the same for Em. I can't even quote one of Em's line, nothing he's ever said is worthy of quotation or memorization. That drug use has taken it's toll.

Is he fuck. Jay-Z does not live up to the hype at all, MCHG lived up to the hype? Jay-Z is average, Eminem made him look a cunt on his own song.

Over time drug use can affect one's judgment, hence your confusion.

& yes MCHG does live up to the his hype.

MCHG was an awful album. Take the opening track for example, I nearly fell over under the weight of my own cringe at that track. Such lines as 'I love you so much', 'You're so unfair' :o:, this is the toss Jay-Z is putting out. Don't get me started on that track with Beyoncé either, guy is insecure as ****. That album was a creatively bankrupt piece of ****, he played it safe yet again, which is all he's ever done.

Jay-Z is a jack of all trades rapper, he hasn't mastered any aspect of it (Eminem has mastered flow). All Jay-Z does is make his music accessible, and you're talking about people only rating Eminem because of sales?

Also lol at ignoring that track I posted.

I don't think you understand how deep the track "Holy Grail" actually is. You are too busy hating a few cliched lines that you missed the entire point of the track.

It's about fame. Very deep.

:rofl: @ "That album was a creatively bankrupt piece of ****" :usehead: Slavery, art, fame, family, love, drugs, business are just are few of the topics he discussed & that you define as a "bankrupt piece of ****" :stupid:


"Eminem has mastered flow" :confused: I'm actually baffled that someone can say this & want to be taken seriously. Every time I hear an Em song I immediately turn down the volume b/c regardless of what the beat sounds like I already know that all Em will do is yell and scream like he's tweaking.

So I'll ask you again do you even know what flow is, b/c if you think Em's flow is good, you are completely delusional.

Yeah cos none of those topics have ever been discussed before on Hip-Hop albums.

That's bollocks.

Eminem's flow is good.


Eminem - Infinite - YouTube

You said Em was the only one because of record sales, but that his flow/lyrics are shat. I'm not taking this out of context.

You need to decided which one you're going to argue.

You made the logic up in your head. I'll let you think about it.

Hint: I never said who I thought was the best rapper.

Only one what? don't respond until you comprehend this he is the only white rapper the masses consider credible only b/c of his $ales even though his "talent" (& I use that word loosely b/c there's nothing special about his discography) does not warrant the hype.

Besides pulling a :stupid: card ^that is the easiety way that I can explain it 2 u, but you won't get it so :finger: