Are White Rappers Guests in Hip Hop?

Forward To Death · 09-26-2013, 12:57 AM

There's nothing appealing in his music. It's the production, it's so flat that it emphasizes his vocals and by way his awful lyrics.

He might have songs that have decent production that I haven't heard, but no one's brought them to my attention so I really don't care. I have a lot of hip-hop on my iPod, from artists that make solid album after solid album.

midnight rain · 09-26-2013, 01:23 AM

In the broadest sense, black musicians laid the groundwork for hip-hop and rock music and many other genres. So you could say they were responsible for the transition from an established genre to a new one

But white people took those foundations in rockabilly and spun them off in directions that I find far more interesting and enjoyable than any of that early rock & roll music of the 50's by the black artists. Would we have seen the same amount of innovation if the genre had been left alone exclusively to black culture? I doubt it.

Forward To Death · 09-26-2013, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuna

In the broadest sense, black musicians laid the groundwork for hip-hop and rock music and many other genres. So you could say they were responsible for the transition from an established genre to a new one

But white people took those foundations in rockabilly and spun them off in directions that I find far more interesting and enjoyable than any of that early rock & roll music of the 50's by the black artists. Would we have seen the same amount of innovation if the genre had been left alone exclusively to black culture? I doubt it.

White musicians were just as responsible for rock as black musicians.

midnight rain · 09-26-2013, 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

White musicians were just as responsible for rock as black musicians.

You'd be hard pressed to accurately 'measure' how much each race contributed to the genre

don't see a reason why anyone would want to either but this Lord Jamar guy seems a bit starved of attention

djchameleon · 09-26-2013, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuna

Would we have seen the same amount of innovation if the genre had been left alone exclusively to black culture? I doubt it.

Why do you doubt it?

Forward To Death · 09-26-2013, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuna

You'd be hard pressed to accurately 'measure' how much each race contributed to the genre

don't see a reason why anyone would want to either but this Lord Jamar guy seems a bit starved of attention

You can't really, but it seems to me that there are just as many influential white musicians as there are influential black musicians.

Rockabilly is pretty much just country.

~~butthead aka 216~~ · 09-26-2013, 06:48 AM

who voted yes with the white guilt?? lmao

i dont think anyone can really deny the influence of black ppl on certain music genres, certainly with hip hop but i dont even think thats really what jamar is sayin. 'guest' implies temporary, i wonder what jamar thinks of eminem?? i dont know why he has to try and claim and entire genre for his race, blacks certainly are a part of many things white people had major influence in, so i wonder if he feels the same way in that regard. my guess is no

djchameleon · 09-26-2013, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by butthead aka 216

who voted yes with the white guilt?? lmao

i dont think anyone can really deny the influence of black ppl on certain music genres, certainly with hip hop but i dont even think thats really what jamar is sayin. 'guest' implies temporary, i wonder what jamar thinks of eminem??

I shouldn't be speaking for him but Em probably falls into this category.

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White rappers, those of y’all who really studied the culture, that truly love Hip Hop and all that, keep it real with yourself, you know this is a black man’s thing. We started this. This is our ****. We’ve allowed you, those of you who’ve proved your skill and all that, we’ve allowed you to come in and kick your ****, make yourself known.

I felt like he was talking about Em, El-P, Beastie Boys as those that have studied the culture and truly love Hip Hop and that we've "allowed" to make themselves known.

~~Cuthbert~~ · 09-26-2013, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Forward To Death

There's nothing appealing in his music. It's the production, it's so flat that it emphasizes his vocals and by way his awful lyrics.

He might have songs that have decent production that I haven't heard, but no one's brought them to my attention so I really don't care. I have a lot of hip-hop on my iPod, from artists that make solid album after solid album.

FTR when I said those tracks appeal, I meant to the masses hence why he's popular. Not necessarily to me or you.

**Janszoon** · 09-26-2013, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Why do you doubt it?

I assume he means that less variety of people and perspectives involved in a given genre is likely to lead to less innovation.

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09-26-2013, 12:57 AM	#71 (permalink)
Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	There's nothing appealing in his music. It's the production, it's so flat that it emphasizes his vocals and by way his awful lyrics. He might have songs that have decent production that I haven't heard, but no one's brought them to my attention so I really don't care. I have a lot of hip-hop on my iPod, from artists that make solid album after solid album.

09-26-2013, 01:23 AM	#72 (permalink)
midnight rain Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,711	In the broadest sense, black musicians laid the groundwork for hip-hop and rock music and many other genres. So you could say they were responsible for the transition from an established genre to a new one But white people took those foundations in rockabilly and spun them off in directions that I find far more interesting and enjoyable than any of that early rock & roll music of the 50's by the black artists. Would we have seen the same amount of innovation if the genre had been left alone exclusively to black culture? I doubt it.

09-26-2013, 06:48 AM	#77 (permalink)
~~butthead aka 216~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: freely swimmin thru the waters of glory much like a majestic bald eagle soars thru the skies Posts: 1,463	who voted yes with the white guilt?? lmao i dont think anyone can really deny the influence of black ppl on certain music genres, certainly with hip hop but i dont even think thats really what jamar is sayin. 'guest' implies temporary, i wonder what jamar thinks of eminem?? i dont know why he has to try and claim and entire genre for his race, blacks certainly are a part of many things white people had major influence in, so i wonder if he feels the same way in that regard. my guess is no