Why is modern Hip-Hop music, aswell as mainstream pop so hated by people?

derek · 11-02-2014, 09:03 PM

i prefer the korean hip hop/pop...

**Frownland** · 11-03-2014, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DriveYourCarDownToTheSea

I can't stand rap because there is no melody, just words spoken to a beat. It's as simple as that. I find it obnoxious and amusical. An occasional song like that might be an interesting diversion (think: "Shattered" by the Rolling Stones or "Another One Bites the Dust" by Queen), but an entire genre of stuff like that is really going to get on my nerves. Plus, the beat is almost always the same (or extremely similar). That adds to the monotony. Yes I know there are a few rap songs with oddball beats and time signatures, but let's face it, those are relative rarities.

And it's not the rhythms themselves I dislike either - some of those can be interesting. But when you've got a guy yelling at me (not singing - talking or yelling) with that rhythm heavily (overly so, IMO) in the background, I'm going to be turned off. I don't like people yelling at me.

Well if you're not into the rapping element of it, then it's not going to be for you. You have to take it for what it is. It's like listening to Bob Marley with the parameters for what makes a good thrash metal song, you're not going to like it with that mindset. If it's not your thing then I understand but looking at it differently is worth giving it a shot. As for the musicality, there's so much hip-hop out there that doesn't go near what you describe and a lot that does. I'm sure there are loads of instrumental hip hop albums you'd enjoy.

grindy · 11-03-2014, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by DriveYourCarDownToTheSea

I can't stand rap because there is no melody, just words spoken to a beat. It's as simple as that. I find it obnoxious and amusical. An occasional song like that might be an interesting diversion (think: "Shattered" by the Rolling Stones or "Another One Bites the Dust" by Queen), but an entire genre of stuff like that is really going to get on my nerves. Plus, the beat is almost always the same (or extremely similar). That adds to the monotony. Yes I know there are a few rap songs with oddball beats and time signatures, but let's face it, those are relative rarities.

And it's not the rhythms themselves I dislike either - some of those can be interesting. But when you've got a guy yelling at me (not singing - talking or yelling) with that rhythm heavily (overly so, IMO) in the background, I'm going to be turned off. I don't like people yelling at me.

I kinda understand where you're coming from, because that's what I thought of rap a long time ago.
But the interaction of the words, their flow and the beat is hip-hop's kind of melody.
You might suddenly come to like it, as I once suddenly did. It's certainly nothing one could rationalize, but being open is always a good thing when it comes to music, so don't write an entire genre off too easily.

William_the_Bloody · 11-07-2014, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DriveYourCarDownToTheSea

I can't stand rap because there is no melody, just words spoken to a beat. It's as simple as that. I find it obnoxious and amusical. An occasional song like that might be an interesting diversion (think: "Shattered" by the Rolling Stones or "Another One Bites the Dust" by Queen), but an entire genre of stuff like that is really going to get on my nerves. Plus, the beat is almost always the same (or extremely similar). That adds to the monotony. Yes I know there are a few rap songs with oddball beats and time signatures, but let's face it, those are relative rarities.

And it's not the rhythms themselves I dislike either - some of those can be interesting. But when you've got a guy yelling at me (not singing - talking or yelling) with that rhythm heavily (overly so, IMO) in the background, I'm going to be turned off. I don't like people yelling at me.

No melody?!? You don't find any melody in this...

or this

There is a rhythm and a chorus. I can understand not wanting to hear someone talking every F'n second, but back in the day rap was gold.

DriveYourCarDownToTheSea · 11-08-2014, 05:21 PM

^
You missed the rest of the conversation.

But both of those examples you gave are precisely the kind of no-singing-no-melody stuff I dislike. No I do not hear a melody in those two songs, just a guy yapping away to a beat.

William_the_Bloody · 11-08-2014, 05:41 PM

Very well, if those songs can't turn you on to rap than I concede defeat. I could listen to this all day long, but different strokes for different folks.

The Batlord · 11-08-2014, 07:49 PM

@ DriveYourCarDownToTheSea

I imagine music first began as simple, rhythmic beats. Drums and the like. So, in all likelihood, your concept of music is actually rather strange, historically speaking. Hip hop, and possibly punk to an extent, might actually be taking music backs to its original roots, albeit in a much altered form.

DriveYourCarDownToTheSea · 11-12-2014, 07:44 PM

I think most musicologists agree that the earliest music was singing. There probably was a melody, of some sort. Most music of primitive cultures involves some sort of melody, even if a simple and primitive one. The earliest music was likely not much different.

And even if you're right, all you're telling me is that rap and punk rock is a regression. No wonder so many people think it sounds "primitive."

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 11-12-2014, 08:13 PM

you're saying there's no melody.... you mean there's no melody in the vocals. that's what makes it rap. if you hate it then don't listen to it and be on your way.

DriveYourCarDownToTheSea · 11-12-2014, 08:21 PM

Yes, I mean no melody in the vocals. I realize that's what makes it rap. But of course that also makes it why I don't like rap.

I was simply responding to the OP's question.

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derek Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 778	i prefer the korean hip hop/pop... Last edited by derek; 11-02-2014 at 09:19 PM.

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DriveYourCarDownToTheSea AllTheWhileYouChargeAFee Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,158	^ You missed the rest of the conversation. But both of those examples you gave are precisely the kind of no-singing-no-melody stuff I dislike. No I do not hear a melody in those two songs, just a guy yapping away to a beat. __________________ Stop and find a pretty shell for her Beach Boys vs Beatles comparisons begin here

11-12-2014, 07:44 PM	#68 (permalink)
DriveYourCarDownToTheSea AllTheWhileYouChargeAFee Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,158	I think most musicologists agree that the earliest music was singing. There probably was a melody, of some sort. Most music of primitive cultures involves some sort of melody, even if a simple and primitive one. The earliest music was likely not much different. And even if you're right, all you're telling me is that rap and punk rock is a regression. No wonder so many people think it sounds "primitive." __________________ Stop and find a pretty shell for her Beach Boys vs Beatles comparisons begin here

11-12-2014, 08:21 PM	#70 (permalink)
DriveYourCarDownToTheSea AllTheWhileYouChargeAFee Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Kansas City Posts: 1,158	Yes, I mean no melody in the vocals. I realize that's what makes it rap. But of course that also makes it why I don't like rap. I was simply responding to the OP's question. __________________ Stop and find a pretty shell for her Beach Boys vs Beatles comparisons begin here

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William_the_Bloody Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Sunnydale Cemetary Posts: 2,093	Very well, if those songs can't turn you on to rap than I concede defeat. I could listen to this all day long, but different strokes for different folks.

11-12-2014, 08:13 PM	#69 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	you're saying there's no melody.... you mean there's no melody in the vocals. that's what makes it rap. if you hate it then don't listen to it and be on your way.