Why your favorite rapper sucks

**Frownland** · 12-30-2014, 05:39 PM

Perfect hip hop must be boring then.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 12-30-2014, 05:41 PM

can't understand how illmatic can be boring to anyone who is into 90's east coast rap music.

**Goofle** · 12-30-2014, 05:42 PM

I wouldn't consider myself an underground Hip Hop head, I just know loads of rappers. I'm more of a "backpacker" if you had to describe me. For me, as with any kind of music, there's no set rules to the guys I like.

I just prefer Stillmatic. It has better stand out tracks, and his best track by far in "One Mic".

14232949 · 12-30-2014, 05:42 PM

I'm not going to tell anyone to jump off a bridge, but I'm interested as to why you have that opinion Goofle.
Stillmatic doesn't make Top 3 Nas for me. It Was Written (despite at times feeling like B-sides of Illmatic) retained the original Nas spark at least to some extent and contrary to a lot of people's viewpoints, I actually quite like I Am... (maybe it's the use of the xylophones, the continuation of themes, i.e. NY State of Mind Part II and the frankly odd yet interesting guest verses)

Regarding Biggie, had he not died, he was destined down the Jay-Z route. He was already trying to make a mainstream transition with tracks like Big Poppa and Hypnotize. He was nominated for Grammy's and had Billboard Hits, he was hardly underground hip-hop. Had he released a third album, I reckon it would have sounded similar to The Blueprint. Biggie was made for the bling era, he'd have reached even greater heights when given the chance to thrive in rap's progressive state. He alludes to his love of materialism and fame multiple times in his music.

**Frownland** · 12-30-2014, 05:43 PM

The beats are passable, I just think Nas's flow leaves a LOT to be desired. I've only listened to the album three or four times, so I haven't dug around in the lyrics too much. I remember them being better than average, but it still wasn't anything that knocked my cap off.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 12-30-2014, 05:45 PM

oh you're just not into rap that much.

**Frownland** · 12-30-2014, 05:46 PM

Not ****ty rap, no.

~~John Wilkes Booth~~ · 12-30-2014, 05:48 PM

yea i'm serious you guys don't get hip hop.

14232949 · 12-30-2014, 05:50 PM

I'm interested, not trying to start a sh*t storm, just curious

what is it you see in Billy Woods, Frownland?

I see you mention him a lot, yet he left zero impression on me whatsoever when I gave History Will Absolve Me a spin.

**Goofle** · 12-30-2014, 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

I'm not going to tell anyone to jump off a bridge, but I'm interested as to why you have that opinion Goofle.
Stillmatic doesn't make Top 3 Nas for me. It Was Written (despite at times feeling like B-sides of Illmatic) retained the original Nas spark at least to some extent and contrary to a lot of people's viewpoints, I actually quite like I Am... (maybe it's the use of the xylophones, the continuation of themes, i.e. NY State of Mind Part II and the frankly odd yet interesting guest verses)

I have really only listened to the 'matic's multiple times to be honest. And whilst I like Illmatic a fair amount, it always comes across to me a a little dated and bland. Not really sure why.

Stillmatic may not be as good lyrically, and is more on the mainstream side, but that's not always a bad thing. It feels fresher and, as I said, it has a few stand out tracks.

Also, one problem I encounter nowadays with Illmatic is that I prefer Elzhi's Elmatic. So I end up wanting to go and listen to that instead.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mankycaaant

I see you mention him a lot, yet he left zero impression on me whatsoever when I gave History Will Absolve Me a spin.

I like him. He's quite abstract and has good word play. But I don't get super into him either.

12-30-2014, 05:39 PM	#121 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Perfect hip hop must be boring then. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

12-30-2014, 05:43 PM	#125 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	The beats are passable, I just think Nas's flow leaves a LOT to be desired. I've only listened to the album three or four times, so I haven't dug around in the lyrics too much. I remember them being better than average, but it still wasn't anything that knocked my cap off. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

12-30-2014, 05:46 PM	#127 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,548	Not ***ty rap, no. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth.* d e a f b o x

12-30-2014, 05:41 PM	#122 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	can't understand how illmatic can be boring to anyone who is into 90's east coast rap music.

12-30-2014, 05:42 PM	#124 (permalink)
14232949 The Big Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,989	I'm not going to tell anyone to jump off a bridge, but I'm interested as to why you have that opinion Goofle. Stillmatic doesn't make Top 3 Nas for me. It Was Written (despite at times feeling like B-sides of Illmatic) retained the original Nas spark at least to some extent and contrary to a lot of people's viewpoints, I actually quite like I Am... (maybe it's the use of the xylophones, the continuation of themes, i.e. NY State of Mind Part II and the frankly odd yet interesting guest verses) Regarding Biggie, had he not died, he was destined down the Jay-Z route. He was already trying to make a mainstream transition with tracks like Big Poppa and Hypnotize. He was nominated for Grammy's and had Billboard Hits, he was hardly underground hip-hop. Had he released a third album, I reckon it would have sounded similar to The Blueprint. Biggie was made for the bling era, he'd have reached even greater heights when given the chance to thrive in rap's progressive state. He alludes to his love of materialism and fame multiple times in his music.

12-30-2014, 05:45 PM	#126 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	oh you're just not into rap that much.

12-30-2014, 05:48 PM	#128 (permalink)
~~John Wilkes Booth~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Jul 2013 Posts: 2,235	yea i'm serious you guys don't get hip hop.

12-30-2014, 05:50 PM	#129 (permalink)
14232949 The Big Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,989	I'm interested, not trying to start a sh*t storm, just curious what is it you see in Billy Woods, Frownland? I see you mention him a lot, yet he left zero impression on me whatsoever when I gave History Will Absolve Me a spin.