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Lucem Ferre 08-23-2018 10:19 AM

The Genius Of Lil Pump: Eskeetit & Building On The Short Comings Of Neitzsche.
 
If you've heard of Lil Pump you've probably dismissed him as another flash in the pan obnoxiously moronic soundcloud kid with a following of tattoo faced imbeciles. He has a song that is fairly popular among the young hip hop crowd called 'Gucci Gang' that on the surface level seems like another cliche and simplistic ode to materialism that dominates the pop charts.

For this reason alone many people are turned off by his music. Included into this crowd is my circle of friends, who automatically dismiss anything that is popular or different from their closed and limited taste of culture and art. When everybody hates something I personally make a note to look more into it to go against the grain and fight the pretentiousness and self righteousness of otherwise superficial opinions that are drenched in an irony with a lack of self awareness.

My first step into truly trying to understand and gain an educated perspective or opinion on Lil Pump was by joining the Lil Pump Fan Club. The first few days were extremely annoying with kids redundantly posting memes asking which soundcloud artist is the best or paying homage to the lost and never forgotten icons of this culture, XXXTentacion and Lil Peep. Coupled with this were a bunch of misspelled and shortly written encomiums written for Lil Pump that truly made me regret this decision. Though, associating with juggalos for most of my life, I have grown to tolerate this type of immature simplicity so I resiliently stood by my initial decision like the true American hero that I am. One thing that I noticed was one phrase; Eskeetit.

Now I desperately tried searching for a meaning behind this seemingly obnoxious and unintelligible catch phrase spat out by the Lil Pump fans like a religious blessing similar to a Christian's 'amen' a Satanists 'Shemhamforash'. My first step was to google the meaning. According to Urban Dictionary 'Eskeetit' is the phrase Lil Pump uses when he demands seminal excretion in or around his mouth. An example would be;
Guy: I'm going to ***!!!
Lil Pump: Eskeetit!!!!
I couldn't truly accept this answer since it never truly fit the context that the following used.

So my next adventure into understanding the motto of the Lil Pump Fan Club was through the source it's self; Lil Pump. At first, like most people, I truly didn't get it. It didn't seem at all to be any different from anything else I've already heard before. The same basic and uninspired sounding instrumental, the same repetitive materialistic lyrics, the same colorful mop dreads and face tattoos that are reflected among his contemporaries. Then it finally hit me. The meaning of it all, the true understanding of Lil Pump, the revelation of his genius and the motto of Eskeetit.

Eskeetit means that I acknowledge the absurdity of existence, I accept my insignificance and I find inner peace in embracing the path laid before me by the cosmic algorithm. Meaning that we all play a part in side of a play written by the cosmos. Although most plays have a point and each role is inherently meaningful to the over all play, the cosmic play is written out of absurdity, randomness and each actor's role is blatantly pointless. There is no moral, no cohesive ideas or plot behind the cosmic algorithm. Things just happen. Eskeetit means that you no longer fight this idea by trying to gain control of the cosmos or making meaning where there is none. You embrace the path and it's incoherent absurdity thus enjoying it as you spend more time doing things that are fulfilling to you rather than things that appeal to a cultural perspective to try and gain a false sense of control. Where most philosophers fall short is they have you revel in existential dread, worried about the meaningless of it all. The genius of Lil Pump is that he and his followers and much of the soundcloud culture have more of an existential appreciation where they celebrate the absurdity of life through a reflection of life's absurdity in a way that instantly fulfills their true desires rather than desperately trying to find or create a meaning that doesn't truly exist.

All of this is explained in Gucci Gang.



If you want to learn more or want to embrace the absurdity of life through a new lens join the Lil Pump Fan Club.

Eskeetit.


Frownland 08-23-2018 10:27 AM

His XXL appearances were embarrassing.

MicShazam 08-23-2018 10:44 AM

He seems a wee bit retarded.

grindy 08-23-2018 10:59 AM

*Nietzsche

MicShazam 08-23-2018 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by grindy (Post 1989839)
*Nietzsche

Nietzschepicky

grindy 08-23-2018 11:02 AM

No. Just Nietzsche.

Lucem Ferre 08-23-2018 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1989824)
He seems a wee bit retarded.

That's what we all think at first.

MicShazam 08-23-2018 11:09 AM

I step two realizing that he actually is retarded?

Lucem Ferre 08-23-2018 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1989857)
I step two realizing that he actually is retarded?

Read the essay. Read it.

I've also learned that the reason why a lot of Lil Pump fans can't spell properly is because they are actually foreigners that can hardly speak English. While juggalos on the other hand are just stupid.

MicShazam 08-23-2018 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1989897)
Read the essay. Read it.

I've also learned that the reason why a lot of Lil Pump fans can't spell properly is because they are actually foreigners that can hardly speak English. While juggalos on the other hand are just stupid.

I read it. Sounds contrived and I don't see the logic behind the mental leaps you make.

Lucem Ferre 08-23-2018 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1989902)
I read it. Sounds contrived and I don't see the logic behind the mental leaps you make.

I just think that perhaps you're trying too hard which genuinely is the reason why you don't get it. You're feeding way too much into your own ego and needing to feel superior to hide from your own insecurities. Going back to the idea that you care more about a social status to retain a false sense of control over your life, rather than perusing the activities that you truly enjoy.

An example is when Batlord gets apologetic or self deprecating over his enjoyment of groups like the Kotton Mouth Kings. He keeps trying to justify an enjoyment of something to appease a cultural perspective to retain his status rather than unapologetically enjoying who he is through the acceptance of the insignificance of life.

Edit: Let me try to simplify this for you.

To you he looks retarded because it's absurd. You fail to realize how happy he is. His happiness comes from accepting the absurdity of life, and reflecting it.

MicShazam 08-23-2018 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1989910)
I just think that perhaps you're trying too hard which genuinely is the reason why you don't get it. You're feeding way too much into your own ego and needing to feel superior to hide from your own insecurities. Going back to the idea that you care more about a social status to retain a false sense of control over your life, rather than perusing the activities that you truly enjoy.

An example is when Batlord gets apologetic or self deprecating over his enjoyment of groups like the Kotton Mouth Kings. He keeps trying to justify an enjoyment of something to appease a cultural perspective to retain his status rather than unapologetically enjoying who he is through the acceptance of the insignificance of life.

Your reasoning was basically "it doesn't make any sense, therefore it's genius"

Lucem Ferre 08-23-2018 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1989913)
Your reasoning was basically "it doesn't make any sense, therefore it's genius"

It's not that it's genius for not making sense. It's that it's genius because he isn't trying to make sense.

MicShazam 08-23-2018 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1989916)
It's not that it's genius for not making sense. It's that it's genius because he isn't trying to make sense.

What if I told you that I think you're over-intellectualizing things instead of just listening. You're trying to find an intellectual justification for liking what you know deep down is of poor quality.

Lucem Ferre 08-23-2018 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1989917)
What if I told you that I think you're over-intellectualizing things instead of just listening. You're trying to find an intellectual justification for liking what you know deep down is of poor quality.

What if I told you that being a 30-40 year old man mocking a 17 year old kid for being simple and fun kind of makes you look fairly pathetic in comparison to the kid who truly accepted his pointlessness?

Truth is, you don't like the idea because it shows how irrational and desperate your hatred for this culture is. It shatters the ideas of superiority you need to feel in control of what you can't truly control.

MicShazam 08-23-2018 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1989926)
What if I told you that being a 30-40 year old man mocking a 17 year old kid for being simple and fun kind of makes you look fairly pathetic in comparison to the kid who truly accepted his pointlessness?

Truth is, you don't like the idea because it shows how irrational and desperate your hatred for this culture is. It shatters the ideas of superiority you need to feel in control of what you can't truly control.

I haven't even listened to his music. The only thing I'm serious about is that I don't see how you make that leap from observing his use of a nonsense word to him being some sort of genius. I legit don't see it. You could say the same about anyone.

And what's genius about "embracing the pointlessness of existence". I do that on a daily basis. Does that make me a genius? I'm an atheist you know. I don't think there's any grand scheme behind it all and I still manage to live without being a cynic.

Frownland 08-23-2018 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1989926)
What if I told you that being a 30-40 year old man mocking a 17 year old kid for being simple and fun kind of makes you look fairly pathetic in comparison to the kid who truly accepted his pointlessness?

Is having fun the same as being fun? Has he really "accepted" his pointlessness or is it all that he knows? Does adding the association proposed in the essay make his music more enjoyable to listen to?

Anyway Lil B is the OG on this.

Lucem Ferre 08-23-2018 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1989931)
I haven't even listened to his music. The only thing I'm serious about is that I don't see how you make that leap from observing his use of a nonsense word to him being some sort of genius. I legit don't see it. You could say the same about anyone.

And what's genius about "embracing the pointlessness of existence". I do that on a daily basis. Does that make me a genius? I'm an atheist you know. I don't think there's any grand scheme behind it all and I still manage to live without being a cynic.

Then why would you comment on how poor the quality is if you have not heard it? You're literally blithering at this point.

The fact of the matter is you still feel that you need to retain a sense of status as if there is hidden meaning to your existence. Atheism doesn't mean you accept the absurdity. It means you accept the lack of a creator. You still try to find or create a meaning in a life that isn't there instead of having the meaningless being the meaning. On top of that, even if there was a God or an almighty creator, that doesn't change the absurdity of existence. Being created doesn't give you a point. Creator or not, we're all just childish crayon art scribbles on the wall by 2 year olds. You have yet to truly understand or embrace that fact.

MicShazam 08-23-2018 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1989937)
Then why would you comment on how poor the quality is if you have not heard it? You're literally blithering at this point.

I thought this was MB. The forum where people ****post all the time.
Although I'm pretty sure I heard Gucci Gang once a long time ago and thought it was awful.

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1989937)
The fact of the matter is you still feel that you need to retain a sense of status as if there is hidden meaning to your existence. Atheism doesn't mean you accept the absurdity. It means you accept the lack of a creator. You still try to find or create a meaning in a life that isn't there instead of having the meaningless being the meaning. On top of that, even if there was a God or an almighty creator, that doesn't change the absurdity of existence. Being created doesn't give you a point. Creator or not, we're all just childish crayon art scribbles on the wall by 2 year olds. You have yet to truly understand or embrace that fact.

I don't need there to be a meaning. I told you that. So I've accepted that there isn't one. I just live and do things that I like to do.

What "meaning" do you think I'm searching for? In what sense?

Lucem Ferre 08-23-2018 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1989936)
Is having fun the same as being fun? Has he really "accepted" his pointlessness or is it all that he knows? Does adding the association proposed in the essay make his music more enjoyable to listen to?

Anyway Lil B is the OG on this.

Having fun and being fun is more of a perspective. In the pointlessness of life, perspective is almost pointless. I'm sure HE believes he IS fun and he is having fun. Both important. Though, as pointless suffering also exists. Nothing is always fun. Accepting that makes it easier.

I don't think his absurdity is all he knows. These artists are constantly bombarded by angry people who think he needs to be more 'meaningful' so I'm sure the reverse concept is well known by him. How could it not be? So he's truly accepted it.

Maybe for some? But if you don't enjoy it you just don't enjoy it and trying to goes against accepting your insignificance.

**** a Johnny Rotten, I want Lil B. Yes. You are right.

Frownland 08-23-2018 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1989948)
I don't think his absurdity is all he knows. These artists are constantly bombarded by angry people who think he needs to be more 'meaningful' so I'm sure the reverse concept is well known by him. How could it not be? So he's truly accepted it.

I meant more like the world he lives him doesn't give him much other than pointlessness for him to embrace. Using angry comments as an example actually demonstrates that pointlessness in itself :laughing:.

Lucem Ferre 08-23-2018 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1989943)
I thought this was MB. The forum where people ****post all the time.
Although I'm pretty sure I heard Gucci Gang once a long time ago and thought it was awful.



I don't need there to be a meaning. I told you that. So I've accepted that there isn't one. I just live and do things that I like to do.

What "meaning" do you think I'm searching for? In what sense?

The fact that you are genuinely upset when others don't share your musical opinions or insult them. You are trying to create meaning by justifying your taste or by caring too much about a social acceptance of who you are rather than just accepting yourself. Their opinion has zero impact on your enjoyment.

The fact that Lil Pump's absurdity causes you to claim that he is mentally handicapped. Trying to put yourself on a pillar of superiority to give your life more meaning than his.

Lucem Ferre 08-23-2018 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1989951)
I meant more like the world he lives him doesn't give him much other than pointlessness for him to embrace. Using angry comments as an example actually demonstrates that pointlessness in itself :laughing:.

Life gives everybody the pointlessness. The difference is people try to connect the dots or find patterns that make things feel more significant (religion, mysticism, astrology) while he just truly accepts it as the absurdity it is.

The Batlord 08-23-2018 12:19 PM

Top thread.

Lucem Ferre 08-23-2018 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 66sexy (Post 1989957)
top thread.

eskeetit!!!!!

MicShazam 08-23-2018 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1989952)
The fact that you are genuinely upset when others don't share your musical opinions or insult them. You are trying to create meaning by justifying your taste or by caring too much about a social acceptance of who you are rather than just accepting yourself. Their opinion has zero impact on your enjoyment.

The fact that Lil Pump's absurdity causes you to claim that he is mentally handicapped. Trying to put yourself on a pillar of superiority to give your life more meaning than his.

Wow. Point out where. I'm don't get upset when people don't like what I like. Show me things I said that prove this to be false.

You're projecting so hard. Please stahp.

And loosen up.

And notice how you skipped the most important part of my previous post (hint: The part where I asked how you think that I am searching for meaning. Where is that not just an assumption - like everything else you're throwing at me, might I add).

Oriphiel 08-23-2018 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1989910)
I just think that perhaps you're trying too hard which genuinely is the reason why you don't get it. You're feeding way too much into your own ego and needing to feel superior to hide from your own insecurities. Going back to the idea that you care more about a social status to retain a false sense of control over your life, rather than perusing the activities that you truly enjoy.

An example is when Batlord gets apologetic or self deprecating over his enjoyment of groups like the Kotton Mouth Kings. He keeps trying to justify an enjoyment of something to appease a cultural perspective to retain his status rather than unapologetically enjoying who he is through the acceptance of the insignificance of life.

Edit: Let me try to simplify this for you.

To you he looks retarded because it's absurd. You fail to realize how happy he is. His happiness comes from accepting the absurdity of life, and reflecting it.

Omg, this legit reminds me of how I used to bs essays at the last second back in high school.

No, teacher. The part in the book that I read where a guy gets his nuts ripped off by a pteradactyl isn't random and stupid, it's actually a metaphor. PROVE ME WRONG

Please keep going

MicShazam 08-23-2018 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy (Post 1989957)
Top thread.

Holy **** no.

The Batlord 08-23-2018 01:58 PM

You're just too busy trying to find meaning.

MicShazam 08-23-2018 02:09 PM

flippetyblarf ding-dong

I am a genius

Frownland 08-23-2018 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MicShazam (Post 1990067)
flippetyblarf ding-dong

I am a genius

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passiv...ssive_behavior

MicShazam 08-23-2018 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1990069)

Sorry. I'll behave.

Lucem Ferre 08-23-2018 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy (Post 1990056)
You're just too busy trying to find meaning.

Consider the fact that he assumes I'm a Lil Pump fan even though I never even hinted at that idea. Trying to rationalize something he can't comprehend.

Lucem Ferre 08-23-2018 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1990093)

Nothing is more absurd than arguing against a piece of satyre completely pulled out of my ass.

The Batlord 08-23-2018 06:40 PM

Giving up? Weak sauce.

Lucem Ferre 08-23-2018 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 66Sexy (Post 1990163)
Giving up? Weak sauce.

I could try and argue that Nietzche was more about creating meaning despite the inherent lack of meaning rather than truly embracing the meaninglessness.

Lucem Ferre 08-23-2018 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by elphenor (Post 1990183)
you say this as if you aren't an ICP fan

there's not music ****ty enough for me to not believe you'd like

1 I can hardly stand most ICP.

2 I thought being punk was about spitting on the faces of the pretentious musical hierarchy trying to oppressively enforce ideas of what "good" & "bad" music was you ****ing poser.

Elphenor: The Skin Deep Marxist Who Enjoys Digging His Heels Into The Groin Of The Proletariat

Edit: My next essay, if I do it, is actually going to be entitled 'The Insane Commie Posse: The Carnival Of Carnage & It's Marxist Fantasy' cause despite their musical shortcomings and the fact that they probably don't even know who Karl Marx is their first Clown Posse album actually speaks to who you try to portray yourself as. What makes them truer than you is the fact that they don't spend so much of their time spitting in the face of lower class culture as if they are some how better than the working class like you do. It's the biggest flaw of the left, you understand how oppressed lower class citizens are in this capitalist society yet you guys lack the self awareness to see how pretentious you act towards us. Spitting on every aspect of the blue collar worker then wonder why they vote for same right wing politicians that are picking their pockets. Maybe it's because they show us respect while they **** us in the ass.

[MERIT] 08-23-2018 10:49 PM

I think you are trying WAY too hard to attribute positive meaning [or any at all] to shitty music.

MicShazam 08-23-2018 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre (Post 1990249)
1 I can hardly stand most ICP.

2 I thought being punk was about spitting on the faces of the pretentious musical hierarchy trying to oppressively enforce ideas of what "good" & "bad" music was you ****ing poser.

Elphenor: The Skin Deep Marxist Who Enjoys Digging His Heels Into The Groin Of The Proletariat

Edit: My next essay, if I do it, is actually going to be entitled 'The Insane Commie Posse: The Carnival Of Carnage & It's Marxist Fantasy' cause despite their musical shortcomings and the fact that they probably don't even know who Karl Marx is their first Clown Posse album actually speaks to who you try to portray yourself as. What makes them truer than you is the fact that they don't spend so much of their time spitting in the face of lower class culture as if they are some how better than the working class like you do. It's the biggest flaw of the left, you understand how oppressed lower class citizens are in this capitalist society yet you guys lack the self awareness to see how pretentious you act towards us. Spitting on every aspect of the blue collar worker then wonder why they vote for same right wing politicians that are picking their pockets. Maybe it's because they show us respect while they **** us in the ass.

Lmfao. A couple people don't like Lil Pump and you go on this tirade?

Do right wing politicians whisper in your ear that they like ICP and Lil Pump as they pick the pockets of the lower classes?

I'm lower class too. Working class family. Got a low paid job myself.

Lucem Ferre 08-24-2018 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by [MERIT] (Post 1990263)
I think you are trying WAY too hard to attribute positive meaning [or any at all] to shitty music.

Revert back to the Tom MacDonald thread to hear you sob about the horrible horrible things you have to suffer through as a white American.


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