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Old 01-03-2021, 08:06 AM   #11 (permalink)
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2pac is the 2st best rapper
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Old 01-03-2021, 10:21 PM   #12 (permalink)
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He was on a death trip. Survival would have left him even more exposed.
This is what makes him so interesting tbh

Its trendy on music forums to say tupac is overrated and he is, in the same seense that the beatles are overrated... literally no rapper can live up to the kind of hype surrounding an artist like 2pac

but he's definitely a rap legend and an interesting persona to dissect

he was sort of the tip of a spear of gang oriented west coast rap that dominated the 90's. he embodied the term thug life which he had tattood on his chest.

he wasn't an actual gangster but was flirting with it via his relationship with suge his death was literally triggered by him participating in beating down a crip in las vegas whose crew presumably retaliated.

and as OH says he was on a death trip. you can watch the trajectory of his mindstate through his music. me against the world introduced us to the tupac that was raedy to die. then all eyez on me took it further and by the time we got to the don killuminati he was already in his death spiral and died shortly afterwards..

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and as OH says he was on a death trip. you can watch the trajectory of his mindstate through his music. me against the world introduced us to the tupac that was raedy to die. then all eyez on me took it further and by the time we got to the don killuminati he was already in his death spiral and died shortly afterwards..
Don Killuminati was released posthumously, about 2 months after his death.

2Pac, in my eyes, is a great rapper and was widely imitated (just look at labels like No Limit or the Ruff Ryders) - his influence can't really be overstated.

But coming to a conclusion on the 'best rapper' is pretty arbitrary - so much so that it's all but useless to try. Was he the best lyricist? (No, guys like Ras Kass and Chino XL are better). Did he have the best flow? (Nah, Pharoahe Monch and Jay-Z both flow better than he does, perhaps even Biggie). Did he have the most consistently good albums? (Not a chance, check out Outkast's discography or even EL-P's).

But he most certainly was great and is a legend in the world of hip-hop.
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Big is great.

But I'd take Reasonable Doubt over Ready to Die any day of the week.
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But I'd take Reasonable Doubt over Ready to Die any day of the week.
Personal choice. They’re both unassailable for similar reasons. I’m much more in the RTD camp and consider it the greatest nihilistic self-eulogy / commentary on death work of art ever.
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But I'd take Reasonable Doubt over Ready to Die any day of the week.
Ready to Die any day of the week for me. Reasonable Doubt is pretty weak imo.
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Ready to Die any day of the week Jfor me. Reasonable Doubt is pretty weak imo.
Nah reasonable doubt is solid but Ready to Die is definitely better. And there would be no Jay without Big.

But the problem with Big as GOAT is he didn't have time to mature and develope. he was only 2 albums in when he got merked.
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Personal choice. They’re both unassailable for similar reasons. I’m much more in the RTD camp and consider it the greatest nihilistic self-eulogy / commentary on death work of art ever.
...suicidal thoughts definitely feels that way but the album as a whole... not so sure

i think prodigy of mobb deep and DMX both do just as good a job painting a nihilistic and bleak death ridden picture as big does. and pac does so too in his own way. "i'm ready to die right here tonight so mother**** your life." really pac was more ready to die than Big ever was. Big was collateral damage of pac's death spiral. I actually feel way worse for Big than I do pac.
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