Marilyn Manson (jazz, metal, pop, rock, gospel)

Lost soul · 10-14-2005, 02:08 PM

Hi guys i would be really thankful if you could let me know what you think of this two question. i need for my Media exam.

The influences of rock music and the contemporary rock
artist Marilyn Manson upon the youth of Today

Do you think the video could promote violence? What kind of person or things is influential these days? Why do you think they are influential?

thank you

Merkaba · 10-14-2005, 02:14 PM

Initially I would say he is bad influence, for the youth to see his existance at such a young age would definitely influence them about some things.

But Manson is actually a very bright guy. He guest lectures at Universities in the states an has been invited to speak at some conferences. It is a shame most youth will never see how smart Manson actually is until they are too nieve to accept that he is brains over image.

Of course video is influential. Anything on screen is influential these days.

TheBig3 · 10-14-2005, 02:27 PM

This question is dumb, and im not yelling at you for it, im saying it in regards to the paper. People need to learn what we all were supposed to from our parents at a young age. You need to take responsibility for the things you do and not blame it on something else. If we allowed the excuse of "I was influenced by" to fly then we would have 2nd hand legal anarchy. People could just scapegoat someone for anything and we'd have to let it fly. Im sure for every one person who watches a manson video and does something stupid, there are 100 other people who watch it and go on living the same as they would have had they not seen the video. The very notion of blaming a musician for anything is rooted in the established view of whats right and whats wrong. No one blammed classical composers or jazz groups for violence, when it could have been just as vulgar. Did anyone condem Johnny Cash for writing the line "I shot a man in reno, just to watch him die"? Probably not, because he also wrote gospel music, and there for was accepted as a humanbeing, nevermind musician.

Mansons transgender line pushing has people born in 1950 feeling uncomfortable and so they blame him on corrupting the youth when we know that, potentially more detrimental, is those same parents repressing the youth to things they would like to do. Allowing people to try most things hardly corrupts, but the constant repression of desire is well documented as a mentally unbalancing act and should be condemed far for more than any "artist".

The very word artist to me should tell you that there is a degree of dishonesty, there this isn't entierly what someones about, yet a way to convey a message without blandly stating it.

anticipation · 10-14-2005, 02:34 PM

Marilyn Manson sucks. dont waste your time

tdoc210 · 10-14-2005, 05:38 PM

never heard a song by him we had this question in england

letbobrest · 10-16-2005, 06:38 AM

Despite been a scary transverstite goth freak who secialises in ****ty covers, Manson is completely harmless. He isnt really a satanist, hes just trying to piss every one off by pretending to be one

hookers with machineguns · 10-17-2005, 03:19 PM

Sounds like a typical bullsh*t assignment from an overpaid instructor. Ask for a refund in tuition.

Manson doesn't sell records anymore, unless you count his pathetic covers of 80s pop songs. Kids who turn to him now most likely have already been influenced by something else to go buy his music. The assignment would have been more appropriate if it were given eight to ten years ago, when Manson was actually a media-scrutinized controversial band at their peak.
Teens are impressionable. They get influenced by just about anything. Pinpointing one artist, one band, one movement, or one sector of pop culture and correlating it to an increase in violence is a waste of time. There will never be a statistically significant study that relates a particular musician/video/song to an increase in violent behavior.

Metallica_rox · 10-18-2005, 10:49 AM

im a teen and manson has not influenced anything ive done and i love his music, or used to... all the good old bands seem to be going downhill nowadays

anticipation · 10-18-2005, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metallica_rox

all the good old bands seem to be going downhill nowadays

sleepy jack · 10-18-2005, 05:25 PM

Manson made two of my favorite albums ever.(Mechanical Animals and Holy Wood)

10-14-2005, 02:08 PM	#1 (permalink)
Lost soul Groupie Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 2	Marilyn Manson Hi guys i would be really thankful if you could let me know what you think of this two question. i need for my Media exam. The influences of rock music and the contemporary rock artist Marilyn Manson upon the youth of Today Do you think the video could promote violence? What kind of person or things is influential these days? Why do you think they are influential? thank you

10-14-2005, 02:14 PM	#2 (permalink)
Merkaba Whitewater! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 2,885	Initially I would say he is bad influence, for the youth to see his existance at such a young age would definitely influence them about some things. But Manson is actually a very bright guy. He guest lectures at Universities in the states an has been invited to speak at some conferences. It is a shame most youth will never see how smart Manson actually is until they are too nieve to accept that he is brains over image. Of course video is influential. Anything on screen is influential these days. __________________ She thinks I'm a reclusive genius, she's going to be very disappointed when she finds out i'm a reclusive wanker

10-14-2005, 02:27 PM	#3 (permalink)
TheBig3 killedmyraindog Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Boston, Massachusetts Posts: 11,172	This question is dumb, and im not yelling at you for it, im saying it in regards to the paper. People need to learn what we all were supposed to from our parents at a young age. You need to take responsibility for the things you do and not blame it on something else. If we allowed the excuse of "I was influenced by" to fly then we would have 2nd hand legal anarchy. People could just scapegoat someone for anything and we'd have to let it fly. Im sure for every one person who watches a manson video and does something stupid, there are 100 other people who watch it and go on living the same as they would have had they not seen the video. The very notion of blaming a musician for anything is rooted in the established view of whats right and whats wrong. No one blammed classical composers or jazz groups for violence, when it could have been just as vulgar. Did anyone condem Johnny Cash for writing the line "I shot a man in reno, just to watch him die"? Probably not, because he also wrote gospel music, and there for was accepted as a humanbeing, nevermind musician. Mansons transgender line pushing has people born in 1950 feeling uncomfortable and so they blame him on corrupting the youth when we know that, potentially more detrimental, is those same parents repressing the youth to things they would like to do. Allowing people to try most things hardly corrupts, but the constant repression of desire is well documented as a mentally unbalancing act and should be condemed far for more than any "artist". The very word artist to me should tell you that there is a degree of dishonesty, there this isn't entierly what someones about, yet a way to convey a message without blandly stating it. __________________ I've moved to a new address

10-14-2005, 05:38 PM	#5 (permalink)
tdoc210 ashes against the grain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new hampsha Posts: 2,617	never heard a song by him we had this question in england __________________ We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that.

10-17-2005, 03:19 PM	#7 (permalink)
hookers with machineguns Music Addict Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,753	Sounds like a typical bullsht assignment from an overpaid instructor. Ask for a refund in tuition. Manson doesn't sell records anymore, unless you count his pathetic covers of 80s pop songs. Kids who turn to him now most likely have already been influenced by something else to go buy his music. The assignment would have been more appropriate if it were given eight to ten years ago, when Manson was actually a media-scrutinized controversial band at their peak. Teens are impressionable. They get influenced by just about anything. Pinpointing one artist, one band, one movement, or one sector of pop culture and correlating it to an increase in violence is a waste of time. There will never be a statistically significant study that relates a particular musician/video/song to an increase in violent behavior. __________________ LASTFM*

10-14-2005, 02:34 PM	#4 (permalink)
anticipation Music Addict Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,565	Marilyn Manson sucks. dont waste your time

10-16-2005, 06:38 AM	#6 (permalink)
letbobrest Groupie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: leprechaun land Posts: 19	Despite been a scary transverstite goth freak who secialises in ****ty covers, Manson is completely harmless. He isnt really a satanist, hes just trying to piss every one off by pretending to be one

10-18-2005, 10:49 AM	#8 (permalink)
Metallica_rox Music Addict Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Nottinghamshire Posts: 140	im a teen and manson has not influenced anything ive done and i love his music, or used to... all the good old bands seem to be going downhill nowadays __________________ i love all of you lol add me so i may rant 121 on msn be_my_b-tch@hotmail.co.uk