Image over music
 

even bands who had 'no image' had an image. not having an image was their image.

Kurt Cobains ripped jeans and flannel shirt was as much of a costume as anything Gene Simmons wears.
I don't say this to diss Kurt, as I am a fan of his music, but too many of his fans think there was no image or no fame seeking involved on their part, when they carefully crafted an image and sold it just like every other successful band.

So many people say Kurt didnt want to be famous and hated the whole idea. Ya, some guy from geffen threw a dart on map and then knocked on Kurt's door in Aberdeen and said we picked YOU!!!! Get real. Kurt studied it and made his move and worked HIS ASS OFF to get famous. He wanted the fame then acted like he never wanted it, which is a total lie - he worked way to hard in an attempt to get fame for that to have one iota of truth to it. And that is basically the image he crafted for himself. The ripped jeans and flannell were everybit a costume as anything KISS wears.

.....interesting.

Perhaps he just wore the clothes his mother bought for him.

Golly gee, a KISS fan lecturing us about bands that favour image over music. :rolleyes:

And pretty much everyone in the grunge scene dressed the way Cobain did, before Nirvana were even around, they wore cheap blue jeans and flannel as a rejection against expensive and trendy clothes.

not to be antagonistic, but what's your point? everyone sends out an image when they choose what kind of clothes to wear, what their hair is gonna look like, etc. etc. It's not a bad thing it's just a fact of life, people judge people on looks, so it's inevitable that someone will be percieved in a certain way based on appearance.

I wore cheap blue jeans and flannel long before grunge came around.

Do you think they got their image from me? I highly doubt it too.:)

shadow surfer= effing retarded, yah ripped jeans and flannel shirts woo hoo! kiss equals stupid costumes and hair and makeup..just so people will go to see their lame ass music

His point is hes trying to piss off certain people, because hes angry over the Kiss/Green Day threads.

No, the point is, Kurt's ripped jeans and flannel shirt was every bit the costume as anything KISS wore.

in your opinion.

true.

yeah, I like KISS. I prefered them with their make-up. After that they kind of sold out and their music wasn't very good. The make-up was entertaining too. :)

yes, the only KISS worth bothering with is from 1974-1978. The rest is hit or miss.

But they revolutionized the rock concert experience. Just look at the history books and count the number of things KISS did - including the first band to break attendance records held by The Beatles at Budkoan.

Not really. Kurt wore these things as everyday casual clothing, there is nothing more to it.

wrong. it became his image, which became the same kind of costume KISS wore. Kurt's grunge look was every bit the costume KISS was.

disagree? that's okay.

But The Beatles were actually able to set that record based on musical talent.
KISS had to rely on theatrics.

Oh let me guess 'in your opinion'

:laughing:

Oh yeah because I can just imagine Gene Simmons walking around his house in the morning getting his breakfast in full costume & make up.

in your opinion.

:rofl:

Just as predicted.

why not?

Well I would imagine that wig would go on pretty early

Dunno about the rest of it

You are an idiot.
No, this is not my opinion, and it is not wrong. This is proven fact.

now, that that one was funny.
Yes, Gene has what looks like a dead racoon on his head...

like I said, 1974-1978 is all that matters in the world of KISS, really.

Sorry, I may be making a moot point that's been argued the entire thread against someone who doesn't listen, but how is Kurt Cobain wearing the clothes he'd been wearing his entire life a "carefully crafted image?"

if you need to ask, you know nothing about the record buiseness.

read Kurt's journals and you'll see it was all crafted. right down to pretending to write lyrics for Something In The way, 4 minutes prior to recording. truth is, he worked on that song for years.

all crafted by Kurt. even the living under a bridge story.

I will agree that Kurt Cobain created ficticious stories and tried to pass them off as truthes.

my opinion>>>>>>>than yours besides it isnt a n opinion washington = logging state basically it was the clothes that were around besides he wore many fdifferent things:usehead:

ya, sometimes a dress.

I would rather him wear a dress than a halloween costume

that's your right.

yah so he can cross dres..as long as he doesnt need to do it to get an audience

then why'd he do it?

Boo Boo said why he did it earlier. You read the post, don't play dumb.

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Thats not what he said, as I said before don't play dumb. Quit turning every thread into a compare a band or person to Kiss to make Kiss not look so bad.


EDIT: Oh nice edit! You read the post, and you argued the post you're just playing dumb now.

My point is, Kurt Cobain's idea (marketing scheme, whatever) was to wear the clothes he was wearing when he rolled out of bed on stage. Whether it was to gain an audience or not, that doesn't really take a lot of thinking. On the other hand, KISS must've spent hours in their mothers' basements or wherever planning these costumes of theirs, testing face paint, etc. Sure, they were meant to achieve the same ends, but saying Kurt's was as carefully crafted as KISS's is like saying The Ramones spent as much time writing a song as Yes did.

in your opinion.

Yes and in my opinion (and I can back this up with facts) you need to get a life. You have 192 posts per day. All you do is praise KISS like Gene came up your ass at a young age. If you are going to put other artists down do it with some education. Oh and here is what I think of your KISS

why?? you don't.
I don't need education to tell me if something tastes good or not.

if it sucks, I spit it out. sorry. Green Day sucks.

moses thats just nasty

It is amazing how you pick out just one part of my post. And yes I do educate myself on bands that I put down. And KISS just sucks there is no way around it. There is nothing good with the band they are a stage act only doing what they do for the money. There is no heart nor soul in their music. I figure you are going to take one part of my post and say "In your opinion" and fuck yeah this is my opinion and I've proven my opinion to be valid you haven't answered a question straight on yet. So don't bother quoting me I'm not posting in here again.