Godsmack (rock, single, albums, Tool, reviews)

PerFeCTioNThrUSileNCe · 03-04-2007, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy

I have to agree w/ pape on this one. There are a few main critics in the media who pretty much every other critics listen to and say exactly what they say, that's why you don't see much variation from one critique to another. One critic gives an album 7/10, another might give it 8/10. Same goes for movies. Of course how well an album is critiqued also doesn't always correlate w/ sales. I'll put it this way, bands who play what's popular at the time are most likely to get signed. That doesn't necessarily mean they started playing that just to catch on to the trend, they could have been playing it for years before it became popular. Once a band gets in the studio, I think it really shows on the record how much the band influenced it, or some poppy producer influenced it, and a lot of times, albums that were really overproduced, and really fake sounding sell pretty well.

That doesn't make the music any better....so whats your point?

~~TheUsedToolguy~~ · 03-04-2007, 12:15 PM

The point was I was disagreeing w/ oojay's argument. If u read it's pretty self-explanatory that I was saying some really crappy music sells really well, so good sales doesn't=good music.not always, at least, I'd say most of the time it doesn't

Aubiefan23 · 03-05-2007, 02:44 PM

How could you hate this band? They are everything a metal band should be.

swim · 03-05-2007, 02:45 PM

They're not even metal.

Strummer521 · 03-05-2007, 02:56 PM

Yeah...they're post-metallic loudness pop. right swim?

tdoc210 · 03-05-2007, 03:18 PM

heh, it suber boring but so many mallgoths listen to it, it must be good..... -_-

~~TheUsedToolguy~~ · 03-05-2007, 03:53 PM

what's bad and good is so subjective. Their albums get a lot of bad reviews, that doesn't make them bad, I like them, and I think they're good.

swim · 03-05-2007, 04:18 PM

Yea but you can put objectives on subjective matters. With music I think there's three main things that should be judged. Originality, musicianship/just plain technical skill and just damn way they make you feel, "mmm good" or "god damn". The first two are a lot easier to put evidence behind but that doesn't make them something that's concrete. Though I don't think there's much debate that is and extremely talented and original band. I'd have to say definitely. The third is completely subjective and sometimes you don't even get it. But third by itself doesn't make a good band. No matter how much you enjoy it if they're a bad rehash then they're a bad band.

strummer: they're rock, duh

~~TheUsedToolguy~~ · 03-05-2007, 06:01 PM

Well, me being a person that tends to like people based on how much they think for themselves, I basically listen to music the same way. The way I listen to music is if it sounds *hurried* then you know the guys in the band are probably playing 10 second riffs, or singing one line, then looking up to see if the producer is clapping or see if he thinks it's good. That's why a band like Tool really intrigues me, who couldn't really be anymore of themselves, you know no one could have come up with the stuff they did if they tried, so that's how you can tell they were being true to themselves. A band like them or any band that are making the music for themselves, and not waiting for their record company to put a stamp of approval on it, is what I like in a group. Sometimes I listen to a band like Rush, Tool, and Alice in Chains, and the music almost seems to be saying don't buy me, in other words, it doesn't care if it appeals to you or not, eventually if you listen enough w/ an open mind, you'll get it.

Strummer521 · 03-05-2007, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheUsedToolguy

Well, me being a person that tends to like people based on how much they think for themselves, I basically listen to music the same way. The way I listen to music is if it sounds *hurried* then you know the guys in the band are probably playing 10 second riffs, or singing one line, then looking up to see if the producer is clapping or see if he thinks it's good. That's why a band like Tool really intrigues me, who couldn't really be anymore of themselves, you know no one could have come up with the stuff they did if they tried, so that's how you can tell they were being true to themselves. A band like them or any band that are making the music for themselves, and not waiting for their record company to put a stamp of approval on it, is what I like in a group. Sometimes I listen to a band like Rush, Tool, and Alice in Chains, and the music almost seems to be saying don't buy me, in other words, it doesn't care if it appeals to you or not, eventually if you listen enough w/ an open mind, you'll get it.

Wouldn't a record take longer...and sound less hurried, if a band was going slowly and leaning on the producer rather than being spontaneous? And just out of curiousity...what do you find so startlingly original about Alice in Chains?

03-05-2007, 02:45 PM	#74 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	They're not even metal. __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

03-05-2007, 02:56 PM	#75 (permalink)
Strummer521 Pepper Emergency! Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 493	Yeah...they're post-metallic loudness pop. right swim? __________________ "Caffeine is so ridiculous right now." RZA

03-05-2007, 03:18 PM	#76 (permalink)
tdoc210 ashes against the grain Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: new hampsha Posts: 2,617	heh, it suber boring but so many mallgoths listen to it, it must be good..... -_- __________________ We went back there and they had come and hacked off every inoculated arm. There they were in a pile. A pile of little arms. And I remember... I... I... I cried. I wept like some grandmother. I wanted to tear my teeth out. I didn't know what I wanted to do. And I want to remember it. I never want to forget it. I never want to forget. And then I realized... like I was shot... like I was shot with a diamond... a diamond bullet right through my forehead. And I thought: My God... the genius of that.

03-05-2007, 04:18 PM	#78 (permalink)
swim dontcareaboutyou Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: North Carolina Posts: 5,188	Yea but you can put objectives on subjective matters. With music I think there's three main things that should be judged. Originality, musicianship/just plain technical skill and just damn way they make you feel, "mmm good" or "god damn". The first two are a lot easier to put evidence behind but that doesn't make them something that's concrete. Though I don't think there's much debate that is and extremely talented and original band. I'd have to say definitely. The third is completely subjective and sometimes you don't even get it. But third by itself doesn't make a good band. No matter how much you enjoy it if they're a bad rehash then they're a bad band. strummer: they're rock, duh __________________ http://nakednaps.bandcamp.com/

03-04-2007, 12:15 PM	#72 (permalink)
~~TheUsedToolguy~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Joplin, MO Posts: 468	The point was I was disagreeing w/ oojay's argument. If u read it's pretty self-explanatory that I was saying some really crappy music sells really well, so good sales doesn't=good music.not always, at least, I'd say most of the time it doesn't

03-05-2007, 02:44 PM	#73 (permalink)
Aubiefan23 Groupie Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 2	How could you hate this band? They are everything a metal band should be.

03-05-2007, 03:53 PM	#77 (permalink)
~~TheUsedToolguy~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Joplin, MO Posts: 468	what's bad and good is so subjective. Their albums get a lot of bad reviews, that doesn't make them bad, I like them, and I think they're good.

03-05-2007, 06:01 PM	#79 (permalink)
~~TheUsedToolguy~~ Account Disabled Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Joplin, MO Posts: 468	Well, me being a person that tends to like people based on how much they think for themselves, I basically listen to music the same way. The way I listen to music is if it sounds hurried then you know the guys in the band are probably playing 10 second riffs, or singing one line, then looking up to see if the producer is clapping or see if he thinks it's good. That's why a band like Tool really intrigues me, who couldn't really be anymore of themselves, you know no one could have come up with the stuff they did if they tried, so that's how you can tell they were being true to themselves. A band like them or any band that are making the music for themselves, and not waiting for their record company to put a stamp of approval on it, is what I like in a group. Sometimes I listen to a band like Rush, Tool, and Alice in Chains, and the music almost seems to be saying don't buy me, in other words, it doesn't care if it appeals to you or not, eventually if you listen enough w/ an open mind, you'll get it.