Rainard Jalen

So, I've been relistening to that good old record Sixteen Stone (Bush)... and I'll start by pointing out the obvious, so nobody else has to: it's a blind Nirvana rip-off, it's uninnovative, it's derivative, unoriginal, and so on and so forth.

But the music itself, for what it is (i.e. a bit of post-grunge), is really pretty damn good! The album's a consistent one, with the odd weak track here and there but generally with good enough material throughout, with at least five proper good (to listen to) grunge songs (Everything Zen, Little Things, Comedown, Machinehead and Glycerine) that make it virtually unmissable for your simple fan of the grunge sound (as opposed to your dumbass purist).

Who agrees with me that for what it is, this is really a pretty damn good album?

swim

Sixteen Stone is a bland album. There isn't much flow and only half the songs are decent. Razorblade Suitcase on the other hand is a great listen from beginning to end.

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Rainard Jalen

Yes it is true that only half the songs are good, but they're really good. And when I say "good album", I'm talking within the grunge/post-grunge context, which would usually necessitate at least half an album's songs being rather bland, and that's at the better end of the spectrum. Hell, even Nevermind and In Utero weren't really that great ALL the way through.

You really prefer Suitcase to Sixteen Stone?

Maybe I ought to listen to Suitcase again!

TheUsedToolguy

This was probably my favorite album for a year and a half after it came out. Although RJ, what's the deal? I actually like every song on this album, except for the hidden track at the end. All the tunes you mentioned as good were all the singles from the album. 'Body' and 'Beautiful Rain' were awesome tunes, too, as well as all the others. I think they were just really on top of their game when they made this, and I guess I'll also have to check out Razorblade Suitcase, which I haven't heard but like a few songs from it. I'm glad to see you like it, but I would disagree, I think it's one of the few great albums you can enjoy from beginning to end.

The Unfan

This is good music to sleep to, and not in a positive way.

TheUsedToolguy

Sleep to me beating off

Rainard Jalen

Oh don't get me wrong, I most certainly think you can enjoy it from beginning to end. No doubt 'bout that. But I wouldn't say that's because all of the songs are above par; I'd say that's because the production is top-notch. The sound created is just precisely the Nirvana-style grunge ideal, it hits the nail on the head - in fact, although it's a blatant rip-off, I'd argue that here it's done even BETTER than Nirvana did it themselves imo. Though saying that, I think enough of the songs do not survive off of their own strength.

As I say...it's a *good*, rocking album! And someone with even a passing interest in grunge music really OUGHT to afford it some serious damn attention!

The Unfan

Nirvana does it better, which is pretty bad considering that most of Nirvana's material fails.

Rainard Jalen

Hardly. At least Rossdale could actually sing properly and the guitars and drums are able to keep in time!

DontRunMeOver

Just went and listened to 'Glycerine' online. Can anybody explain to me why the word Glycerine is in there? Why on earth is he singing about glycerine??? It's like one of the most pointless nouns he could have chosen.

He might as well have sang "vegemite" or "I eat mice" or anything else with 3 syllables.

Was all grunge this same combination of pointless songwriting and dull instrumentation? Were Nirvana just a fluke? Or were Bush just a silly pop band who jumped on the bandwagon?

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