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Son of JayJamJah 11-04-2008 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dac (Post 540454)
I think it would be funny to categorize "emo" music the way metal is categorized.

categories of emo music

sad
somber
dejected
melancholy
lachrymose
depressing
blue emo
melan-somber
pitiful
doleful
lugubrious
disconsolate
distraught
woebegone
nu-somber
piticholy (also a breed of adorably vicious dog)
glum

Demonoid 11-06-2008 07:32 AM

I think some of you take these sub-genre's thingy way too seriously.
I've myself heard a billion metal sub genres, but as far as i know, It's just an internet thing, where say, someone asks for "Slam Death metal". It's just that many metal heads are very picky with what they listen to currently, and they want a similar sound. That doesn't necessarily make them "close minded". They are just listening to that more currently, and well, there's no other way to ask than making up your own sub-genres. They could also name bands i guess, but i don't see this genre thingy bothering me at all TBH. Most of the sub-genres used on the interwebz are just to describe the sound "precisely". And this "precisely" is exactly what they want. If they like a sound, they just want a similar sounding band.
Are they being close minded? Well, some are, but many listen to other stuff as well. They just don't talk about it.

dac 11-06-2008 08:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayJamJah (Post 540504)
categories of emo music

sad
somber
dejected
melancholy
lachrymose
depressing
blue emo
melan-somber
pitiful
doleful
lugubrious
disconsolate
distraught
woebegone
nu-somber
piticholy (also a breed of adorably vicious dog)
glum

Best Post Ever.

Pillowmint 11-08-2008 04:14 PM

Wow i hope that list isn't real... "Nu-Somber" sounds hilarious though

jackhammer 11-08-2008 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Demonoid (Post 541193)
I think some of you take these sub-genre's thingy way too seriously.
I've myself heard a billion metal sub genres, but as far as i know, It's just an internet thing, where say, someone asks for "Slam Death metal". It's just that many metal heads are very picky with what they listen to currently, and they want a similar sound. That doesn't necessarily make them "close minded". They are just listening to that more currently, and well, there's no other way to ask than making up your own sub-genres. They could also name bands i guess, but i don't see this genre thingy bothering me at all TBH. Most of the sub-genres used on the interwebz are just to describe the sound "precisely". And this "precisely" is exactly what they want. If they like a sound, they just want a similar sounding band.
Are they being close minded? Well, some are, but many listen to other stuff as well. They just don't talk about it.

I see 100% that you need a varying degree of genre manipulation to describe aspects of a bands music but I was a die hard Metal fan way back and found this tagging a problem even then.

When posters only post in the Metal forum and proceed to correct every man and his dog in sub genre etiquette, then I find it to be narrow minded and an excuse to appear open minded when all they are doing is listening to variations on a similar theme.

I am not talking about bands that are obviously poles apart EG Iron Maiden and Pig Destroyer but many bands are so similar yet they are constantly assigned genre labels in order for them to appear different.

If I was'nt into metal I would'nt dare make statements like this but I know what I'm talking about and I find this tagging annoying and laughable to a certain extent. I'm not trying to say I'm right at all. I'm not going to change a whole scene but in 10 years time many fans will realise how ridiculous the whole sub sub genre tagging is becoming.

I have said before that the only genres that do this are Metal and Dance and both are predominantly listened to by the under 30's and are so incredibly insular it defies belief.

I guess I find posts such as 'No way they are not Metalcore, they are Thrash with a hint of chugga breakdowns' and 'No way are they death metal, melodeath maybe' boring to read and not entirely constructive. People could retort with 'well don't read them then' but I DO want to read them. A) because it's my job as a mod and B) I still listen to metal and although I have heard so much, I still want to see if a band can break out of the masses and interest me. Sadly most of my time seems to be spent reading what they are tagged as instead of their plus points or originality etc.

Rant over.

someonecompletelyrandom 11-21-2008 11:25 AM

Unnessicary Genres
 
There are alot of these... genres that just don't need to exist. It's hard enough for a band to be original, but now when your push the boundries or expiriment you end up getting a whole sub-genre and tons of imitators.

The most unnessicary, in my opinion:

Melodic Hardcore

Really now... think about this. Melodic hardcore. The Pixies weren't called Melodic Alternative. Nirvana wasn't called Melodic Grunge (hold you opinions to yourself as to whether or not Nirvana was grunge please).

There are lots of bands who are more "melodic" in their genre than most other bands, and yet the Hardcore genre gets a whole sub-genre based off of one musical technique!

Modern Rock

Post-Grunge with a different name.

Almost anything with Post- Infront of it.
Expanding on the earlier ideas of a genre slightly shouldn't create an entirely new one. There are notable exeptions, such as Post-Harcore and Post-Rock, both of which are undeniably different from their parent genres.

The Several Sub-Genres of Smooth Jazz

I don't need to explain this one do I?

Son of JayJamJah 11-21-2008 11:27 AM

Already another thread like this

Link

someonecompletelyrandom 11-21-2008 11:28 AM

****

FaSho 11-21-2008 12:38 PM

Iss okay. Happens to the best of us.

Astronomer 11-21-2008 03:16 PM

Unnessicary?

lucifer_sam 11-21-2008 07:54 PM

It's the opposite of "nessicary". Duh.

Some people can be so thick.

Astronomer 11-21-2008 08:05 PM

Sorry lucifer_sam. What can I say? I'm as dumb as a doorknob.

Rainard Jalen 11-22-2008 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 388296)
Why are there so many sub genres in Metal? Indie is Indie at the end of the day, Reggae is Reggae etc.

'Indie' is a bad comparison, as it's not really a genre to begin with - it's just an 'idea'. A great deal of the sounds that might be characterized as 'indie' tend to have virtually no stylistic elements in common at all.

Aside from that, I'd say that there are probably more 'sub-genres' associated with 'indie' by fans of alternative music than there are sub-genres associated with 'metal'.

jackhammer 11-22-2008 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 549937)
'Indie' is a bad comparison, as it's not really a genre to begin with - it's just an 'idea'. A great deal of the sounds that might be characterized as 'indie' tend to have virtually no stylistic elements in common at all.

Aside from that, I'd say that there are probably more 'sub-genres' associated with 'indie' by fans of alternative music than there are sub-genres associated with 'metal'.

Yeah it is a catch all term that I probably should'nt have used but one that I cannot be arsed to change. To be fair though, you don't get 'blackened alternative' or 'melodic alternative' and i think that 'indie' sub genres are more easily delineated and make sense. Whereas a genre of a genre of a genre is annoying to me. I suppose it's because i'm over 30. Everyone I know over this age finds sub sub genres ridiculous and not as clear cut as they are supposed to be. It's only an opinion though and most new metal fans like to use these sub genres, so good luck to them.

Dr. Psycho 11-22-2008 02:08 PM

There are so many genres because there are so many different styles within metal, and while i appreciate and understand genres for the most part, there are always genres that dont make sense or are just dumb. It's like with "Viking Metal", it deals only with a bands lyrical content and would be like calling a band satanic metal, or political metal.

In my opinion, genres are good for the most part because if i asked for bands similar to Arkhon Infaustus and someone just said Death Metal (or even just metal) it would take a lot longer for me to find what i was looking for then if they would have said Blackened Death Metal.
Stating a sub-genre name is also faster than going into a lot of detail and describing a sound.
It helps people understand what you like a lot better, and isnt that hard to understand.

Rainard Jalen 11-24-2008 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 549983)
Yeah it is a catch all term that I probably should'nt have used but one that I cannot be arsed to change. To be fair though, you don't get 'blackened alternative' or 'melodic alternative' and i think that 'indie' sub genres are more easily delineated and make sense. Whereas a genre of a genre of a genre is annoying to me. I suppose it's because i'm over 30. Everyone I know over this age finds sub sub genres ridiculous and not as clear cut as they are supposed to be. It's only an opinion though and most new metal fans like to use these sub genres, so good luck to them.

lol! it was you lot in the 80s who started the whole genre proliferation thing! we just inherited it! shame on you!


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