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ProggyMan 10-10-2007 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Mookie Wilson (Post 405851)
you can't deny this bands' technical skills, but i will go ahead and agree that they are wanky to the max. their fans are even worse. the lyrics crack me up too, sounds like he's singing about an RPG game or a sci fi movie most of the time...

You haven't ever actually listened to the lyrics, have you?

cardboard adolescent 10-10-2007 07:55 PM

The lyrics are super-pretentious and bad, and the vocals are pretty freaking grating. Some of the music is actually pretty good, but a lot of it goes nowhere fast.

ProggyMan 10-10-2007 07:56 PM

I tune out the vocals meself. The lyrics are alright, although I hate when Petrucci tries to write them.

sleepy jack 10-10-2007 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 406009)
You haven't ever actually listened to the lyrics, have you?

Tunnel vision at blinding speed
Controlling my thoughts, obsessing me
Void of any uncertainty
Throughout my very soul

Lost illusions of mind control
Resisting all hope of letting go
Racing impulse of dark desire
Drives me through the night

I try to shut it down
It leaves me in the dust
No matter what I've found
I can never get enough

Frantic actions of insanity
Impulsive laced profanity
Long for elusive serentiy
Way out of my control

Traveling through both space and time
Out of body
Out of mind
Out of control
My wheels in constant motion

Spinning round and round it goes
I can't let up
I can't let go
Can't stop this flame from burning
Forever more
Into the night
Blistering

Focus here, focus there
Cannot see the light
Falling down through the night
Sprawling everywhere

Searching left, searching right
Panic setting in
I can no longer fight
When will this end?

Accelerate, dislocate
Set to crash and burn
Haven't got time to waste
Not planning to return

Aggravate, Agitate
When will I ever learn?
There's no way out of here
Nowhere to turn

Obsessive yearning
Compulsive burning
Still never learning
Insane random thoughts
of neat disorder

Scattered wasteland surrounding me
Tattered memories of what used ot be
Apocalyptic mind debris
Until we meet again

Traveling through both space and time
Out of body
Out of mind
Out of control
My wheels in constant motion

Spinning round and round it goes
I can't let up
I cant' let go
Can't stop this flame from burning
Forever more
Into the night
Blistering

Treveling through both space and time
Out of body
Out of mind
Out of control
My wheels in constant motion

Spinning round and round it goes
I can't let up
I can't let go
Cant' stop this flame from burning
Cant' stop the wheels from turning

Traveling through both space and time
You get yours
And I got mine
Out of control
My wheels in constant motion

Spinning round and round it goes
I can't let up
I can't let go
Can't stop this flame from burning
Forever more
Into the night
Blistering




Yeah so what is traveling space and time if not Sci-Fi?

ProggyMan 10-10-2007 07:58 PM

You know the song's not really about travelling through space and time?

sleepy jack 10-10-2007 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 406015)
You know the song's not really about travelling through space and time?

Yeah I know its a super deep metaphor for poverty and world peace right? He still talks about traveling through space, that's sci-fi.

Spike*Spiegel 10-10-2007 08:02 PM

i have never listened to anything theyve done, mainly because the only people ive ever known to listen to them are crusty old burnouts. i shouldnt judge a book by its cover, but ...

ProggyMan 10-10-2007 08:03 PM

I'll openly admit that the lyrics are pointless ****, but they're is only one line that could be considered sci-fi.

cardboard adolescent 10-10-2007 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 406016)
Yeah I know its a super deep metaphor for poverty and world peace right? He still talks about traveling through space, that's sci-fi.

you know we all travel through space and time all the time right? it's not exactly a fiction. these lyrics appear to be, like almost all of their other lyrics, about internal turmoil.

but look, lyrics like this really bother me:

Obsessive yearning
Compulsive burning
Still never learning
Insane random thoughts
of neat disorder

I mean... they're so formulaic and uninteresting it burns.

sleepy jack 10-10-2007 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 406018)
I'll openly admit that the lyrics are pointless ****, but they're is only one line that could be considered sci-fi.

If the lyrics are pointless shit then why did you say they weren't actually talking about space travel?

sleepy jack 10-10-2007 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent (Post 406020)
you know we all travel through space and time all the time right? it's not exactly a fiction. these lyrics appear to be, like almost all of their other lyrics, about internal turmoil.

Yeah I know but still if you hear someone singing about space travel it makes sense to consider it sci-fi themed. Proggy said to the person who said that you havn't even listened to the lyrics, despite the fact their most listened to song on lastfm talks about it.

ProggyMan 10-10-2007 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Crowquill (Post 406021)
If the lyrics are pointless shit then why did you say they weren't actually talking about space travel?

Because they're not talking about anything.

cardboard adolescent 10-10-2007 08:11 PM

"Traveling through both space and time
Out of body
Out of mind
Out of control"

is more spiritual psychedelic mumbo jumbo than scifi.
i don't think i've heard any dt song that is really sci-fi in nature.
i'm sure there is one, they're probably geeks at heart.

sleepy jack 10-10-2007 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 406024)
Because they're not talking about anything.

Well yeah I think we all know everything about Dream Theater is pointless.

ProggyMan 10-10-2007 08:14 PM

They express themselves through their music, what other point is there? My point stands.

Mookie Wilson 10-11-2007 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by cardboard adolescent (Post 406020)
you know we all travel through space and time all the time right? it's not exactly a fiction. these lyrics appear to be, like almost all of their other lyrics, about internal turmoil.

but look, lyrics like this really bother me:

Obsessive yearning
Compulsive burning
Still never learning
Insane random thoughts
of neat disorder

I mean... they're so formulaic and uninteresting it burns.

agreed, that's what my original point was, and i made the generalisation that their lyrics are sci-fi-ey. all i was trying to draw attention to is that the lyrics are predominantly passe sounding, stuck in the 80's, and really quite nerdy. i guess they fit with the notion that the entire band portrays: they are above reality and music as we know it, they delve into realms unknown by the common man, complexity unrivaled, transform your mind expand your horizons - look i just wrote a DT song. L.O.L.

Urban Hat€monger ? 10-11-2007 08:00 AM

I don't think it's the subject of the lyrics thats the problem. Hawkwind managed to write sci fi lyrics and make them interesting.
What the problem is is that DT use every lyrical cliche under the sun. Their lyrical abilities would struggle to match some hair metal band from 1985.

Dr_Rez 10-11-2007 06:57 PM

Its stupid to hate Dream Theater.

You may not like them, but damn, they sure are talented.

Stringbender 10-12-2007 03:04 PM

New here- and gotta say..seems like a pretty cool place.
Now- I gotta admit to liking SOME of the Dream Theater stuff- I have Octavarium and Systematic Chaos as well as Images and Words and like a few songs from each cd. Some of the songs on each of these recordings are pretty high on the cheese factor- and it seems odd to me that LaBrie has a VERY good vocal range- but doesn't seem to know who he wants to be. If you listen to several songs from several recordings you can easily determine that he can MIMIC many different styles- but nothing seems to stand out as his own.
Some of these songs sound like a cover tune of their influences- is it just ME or has anyone noticed that the title track for "Octavarium" picks up on the same chord and tone that Pink Floyd's "Wish You Were Here" cd ends on??
Hmmmm....
The musicianship and technical skill is definitely there- but I've seen these guys on DVD ("Score" DVD) and seen Petrucci on the latest G3 DVD and I gotta admit that I might as well be watching grass grow..BORING!!! I understand this stuff is tough to play, but hell..don't just stand there like a jackass in a hailstorm..MOVE AROUND..ACKNOWLEDGE THAT YOU ARE PLAYING IN FRONT OF A LIVE AUDIENCE!!
And last- does LaBrie have some sort of speech or singing problem (seriously) I mean- I look at videos or live footage and his tongue is hanging out and he looks like he's about to barf..what's THAT all about??
ANYHOW- Cool place.. nice to be here.

Inuzuka Skysword 10-12-2007 04:41 PM

A musician's main goal is to play good music, not throw a good show for the audience.

Wayfarer 10-12-2007 05:20 PM

Well DT fails on both counts.

Inuzuka Skysword 10-13-2007 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer (Post 406664)
Well DT fails on both counts.

Again you can't say they fail. John Petrucci easily has to be ONE of the greatest guitarists ever. Mike Portnoy is a good drummer, though not really near the best. John Myung is a crazy bass player.

You are just using doublethink to shove off every possibility that they are good.

Urban Hat€monger ? 10-13-2007 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 406810)
Again you can't say they fail. John Petrucci easily has to be ONE of the greatest guitarists ever. Mike Portnoy is a good drummer, though not really near the best. John Myung is a crazy bass player.

Well you can because not everybody thinks technically gifted = good.

I certainly don't think it does.

anticipation 10-13-2007 09:45 AM

how much do i hate dream theater?
apparently, from the general loathing displayed towards them,
not enough.

Seltzer 10-13-2007 02:39 PM

Regardless of what I think of Dream Theater, John Myung is a wonderful bassist. It goes without saying that he is technically insane, but he doesn't overplay at all. He has great feel and melodic sense... look up Solar Groove on youtube.

Wayfarer 10-13-2007 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword (Post 406810)
Again you can't say they fail. John Petrucci easily has to be ONE of the greatest guitarists ever. Mike Portnoy is a good drummer, though not really near the best. John Myung is a crazy bass player.

You are just using doublethink to shove off every possibility that they are good.

I can say they fail because, I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend, but your opinion...is not any kind of objective truth! =O

Being technically proficient does not make you a good musician, as far as I'm concerned. I'd much rather listen to, say, Kurt Cobain play guitar than listen to John Petrucci play guitar. John's obviously very technically skilled, but he's boring to listen to. I have yet to hear one Dream Theater song that was memorable at all (and I have listened to three or four of their albums, and watched a few videos on YouTube).

So, in short:

- Technical proficiency does not make you a good musician.
- A band's technical proficiency does not automatically make them enjoyable to watch.

As a result...

Dream Theater fails on both counts.

boo boo 10-13-2007 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 405788)
I've stated several time I'm not anymore.

So you went from big prog fan to non prog fan in less than a month?

ProggyMan 10-13-2007 07:29 PM

I still like prog a lot, I just like rap and folk more.

Carm.bono 10-16-2007 09:51 AM

I believe they are quite good...Just an opinion
 
Okay Dream Theatre is a touchy group, their stuff can be debated at times as less metal more rock or metal orchestra, a personal favourite of mine is "Change of Seasons" I Think that is such a good song like the guys playing the instruments are good, like really good and they should be deemed brilliant for thinking of a song that long and good. It all depends on what you persoanlly like...This thread got my attention because it asked, "How Much Do You Hate Dream Theatre?" You can't ask a bunch of people how much they hate something you have to ask what do you think of Dream Theatre? But personally i was apaulled when i saw that 41.5 or w.e percent thought they were not all that good. You gotta admit they must have some talent if they were playing alongside Megadeth, Dillinger Escape plan, Fear Factory and other bands of great reputation (well maybe megadeth does not have such a great rep. but still...) you understand?

Carm.bono 10-16-2007 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Wayfarer (Post 407022)
I can say they fail because, I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend, but your opinion...is not any kind of objective truth! =O

Being technically proficient does not make you a good musician, as far as I'm concerned. I'd much rather listen to, say, Kurt Cobain play guitar than listen to John Petrucci play guitar. John's obviously very technically skilled, but he's boring to listen to. I have yet to hear one Dream Theater song that was memorable at all (and I have listened to three or four of their albums, and watched a few videos on YouTube).

So, in short:

- Technical proficiency does not make you a good musician.
- A band's technical proficiency does not automatically make them enjoyable to watch.

As a result...

Dream Theater fails on both counts.

LOL!!! Buddy are you joking? Are you really going to pull the KC special? Like come on they have been gone for how long now? and the only reason every one loves Kurt so much is because he died at the peak of his career i guarentee if he were still around he would end up just like elvis or some of the great guitarists that were good but after time just lose teh spark...Like don't be ripping on the guy cause he's got good taste in talent

BrokenChains 10-16-2007 01:22 PM

Actually I hate them quite a bit...mainly because music critics seem to love them now and actual bands who know how to a write a song from start to finish don't get credit. So theses guys have the "music theory" thing going...doesn't mean they write good songs people want to hear.

sleepy jack 10-16-2007 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Carm.bono (Post 407777)
LOL!!! Buddy are you joking? Are you really going to pull the KC special? Like come on they have been gone for how long now? and the only reason every one loves Kurt so much is because he died at the peak of his career i guarentee if he were still around he would end up just like elvis or some of the great guitarists that were good but after time just lose teh spark...Like don't be ripping on the guy cause he's got good taste in talent

Yeah but the thing is Nirvana were already popular before Kurt died so...

BrokenChains 10-16-2007 01:44 PM

^You do make a point...to their credit, Nirvana was huge before Kurt died. It's not like, Kurt died, and suddely their music got popular.

Wayfarer 10-16-2007 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Carm.bono (Post 407777)
Like come on they have been gone for how long now?

Mozart's been gone for a pretty long time, people still love his music.

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and the only reason every one loves Kurt so much is because he died at the peak of his career
That's a bit of an arrogant statement, don't you think? Who are you to tell people why they like a band?

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Like don't be ripping on the guy cause he's got good taste in tale
I wasn't ripping on him, I was elaborating upon what I said earlier.

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to their credit, Nirvana was huge before Kurt died
Yeah, I'd say they were pretty huge, being compared to the Beatles and all.

DearJenny 10-16-2007 10:30 PM

No hate here.

ProggyMan 10-21-2007 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BrokenChains (Post 407828)
Actually I hate them quite a bit...mainly because music critics seem to love them now and actual bands who know how to a write a song from start to finish don't get credit. So theses guys have the "music theory" thing going...doesn't mean they write good songs people want to hear.

Where do people get the whole critically acclaimed thing...

Wayfarer 10-21-2007 01:19 PM

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ProggyMan 10-21-2007 01:28 PM

Hardly reviled, but certainly not universally loved. The average rating is about 4 stars, which is nothing compared to some bands such as Radiohead, Arcade Fire, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, etc. They're well liked but not acclaimed.

sleepy jack 10-21-2007 01:30 PM

Did you even read the ratings on there? 4/5 is a fantastic rating, they were even given 5/5 once too. There is one bad rating on there, that is all.

Wayfarer 10-21-2007 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 408831)
Hardly reviled, but certainly not universally loved. The average rating is about 4 stars, which is nothing compared to some bands such as Radiohead, Arcade Fire, The Beatles, The Rolling Stones, Bruce Springsteen, etc. They're well liked but not acclaimed.

You don't have to be universally considered better than the fucking Beatles to be critically acclaimed.


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