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jackhammer 09-14-2008 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Cobe Kai (Post 518749)
Without Tommy Iommi, we wouldn't have about 99% of music today, but when ozzy teamed with randy rhodes and later Zakk Wylde, he got better.

Sabbath created something huge, but it doesn't mean that it was the best.

Our debt to Tommy is huge, but he isn't the best.

We have no debt to RJD, and he's the worst.
Of course we would have 99% of music today. Is Metal the only genre in existence then? Iommi laid down a blueprint that became the classic Metal template. No debt to RJD? While he is an annoying little prick, he is vocally proficient and breathed new life into Sabbath.

Randy Rhoads was a brilliant player but he will ultimately be buried under the significance of the first two Ozzy solo albums.

Cobe Kai 09-14-2008 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 518756)
Of course we would have 99% of music today. Is Metal the only genre in existence then? Iommi laid down a blueprint that became the classic Metal template. No debt to RJD? While he is an annoying little prick, he is vocally proficient and breathed new life into Sabbath.

Randy Rhoads was a brilliant player but he will ultimately be buried under the significance of the first two Ozzy solo albums.

We would have it, but in a different form. Tommy's playing didn't just influence metal! He influenced many people and many genres.

Like The Smiths didn't just influence indie.
Like The Pixies didn't just influence alternative.
Like The Beatles didn't just influence pop.

But in all honesty, I can name 10's of Ozzy songs... I can name one Dio... and that's because Killswitch covered it.

Urban Hat€monger ? 09-14-2008 06:02 PM
Tony

Cobe Kai 09-14-2008 06:05 PM
Sorry, Tony. Shows how much I watch or listen to him, eh?

To be fair, I'm allowed to slip up details with some stuff I've been through tonight...

jackhammer 09-14-2008 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Cobe Kai (Post 518758)
We would have it, but in a different form. Tommy's playing didn't just influence metal! He influenced many people and many genres.

Like The Smiths didn't just influence indie.
Like The Pixies didn't just influence alternative.
Like The Beatles didn't just influence pop.

But in all honesty, I can name 10's of Ozzy songs... I can name one Dio... and that's because Killswitch covered it.
The Smiths, The Pixies, The Beatles...why are you going off in tangents? Address the fact that you disagree with my assumption of Iommi's utmost importance in Sabbath.

Cobe Kai 09-14-2008 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Wayfarer (Post 518766)
Ozzy did more classic albums with Sabbath in half a decade than he's done in his nearly thirty-year solo career. Something tells me Ozzy wasn't what made the band so great.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that Ozzy will always be "the" Black Sabbath singer and without him it never does feel quite right, but to say that he was the sole reason for their success is a bi-...well, completely ridiculous. I don't think it was Ozzy that made Sabbath great, nor Tony Iommi, nor Geezer Butler, nor Bill Ward, it was simply the chemistry they all had together.

I mean, seriously. That jam at 3:26 is just ****ing incredible.

I don't mean to say Ozzy made the band, I agree with you completely. I'm just saying it was better with ozzy.

http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-meta...ath-w-dio.html

Let's talk on here and settle it once and for all, on a non-Nirvana thread lol.

jackhammer 09-14-2008 06:16 PM
I am so gutted that I grew up in the 80's. How awesome would this be watching it in your teens?

Cobe Kai 09-14-2008 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 518768)
I am so gutted that I grew up in the 80's. How awesome would this be watching it in your teens?
I've seen Ozzy live. ;)

http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-meta...ath-w-dio.html

jackhammer 09-14-2008 06:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayfarer (Post 518766)
Ozzy did more classic albums with Sabbath in half a decade than he's done in his nearly thirty-year solo career. Something tells me Ozzy wasn't what made the band so great.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that Ozzy will always be "the" Black Sabbath singer and without him it never does feel quite right, but to say that he was the sole reason for their success is a bi-...well, completely ridiculous. I don't think it was Ozzy that made Sabbath great, nor Tony Iommi, nor Geezer Butler, nor Bill Ward, it was simply the chemistry they all had together.



I mean, seriously. That jam at 3:26 is just ****ing incredible.
John Bonham eat your heart out...

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Originally Posted by Cobe Kai (Post 518769)
Me too. Before you was born. In '88. :p:

Cobe Kai 09-14-2008 06:23 PM
lol. I saw him in 2007 I think.

You can see his age so much now if you watch the older vids.

I hope you don't go into this thing my dad does saying how

"you think music was invented for you"

and I'm like

"no, music was invented for everyone, I just like the same older bands you do"

and then he says

"You think Black Sabbath was invented for you a few years ago"

and I walk off saying

"Yeah, so we've gone back in time to the 1970's, 20 years before my conception".


-___-
I swear he says it to impress his friends, then I show him up by knowing more about it!


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