Christian Jesus Metal (lyrics, single, genre, album, fan)

mr dave · 04-30-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Find me a biblical passage where it specifies that a man outside of the Bible's writings is able to tell you what is right or wrong.

that's just it, in the middle ages people didn't question the authority of the church and the bible. it's what it was called. to try to quantify it by todays standard IS folly but it doesn't change the fact that it's what it was called in those days.

to be evil doesn't have to be from satan. it only has to go against the socially accepted view of what is good. those who controlled the whims of society are the ones who get to chose how to describe the various elements of their society.

it's got nothing to do with the bible having sound or a lack thereof.

Inuzuka Skysword · 04-30-2008, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

that's just it, in the middle ages people didn't question the authority of the church and the bible. it's what it was called. to try to quantify it by todays standard IS folly but it doesn't change the fact that it's what it was called in those days.

to be evil doesn't have to be from satan. it only has to go against the socially accepted view of what is good. those who controlled the whims of society are the ones who get to chose how to describe the various elements of their society.

it's got nothing to do with the bible having sound or a lack thereof.

Well, I was arguing from the standpoint that other Christians tell me that listening to music with satanic lyrics is bad and it is evil music, as in sinful and going against God. I am not trying to convince secular people so much as Christians. Secular people have nothing to worry about and can 100% free think things and accept what they want. Secular, as in being not of a religion.

mr dave · 04-30-2008, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Inuzuka Skysword

Well, I was arguing from the standpoint that other Christians tell me that listening to music with satanic lyrics is bad and it is evil music, as in sinful and going against God. I am not trying to convince secular people so much as Christians. Secular people have nothing to worry about and can 100% free think things and accept what they want. Secular, as in being not of a religion.

well i'm sure hardcore christian fundamentalists enjoy the argument as much as you enjoy hearing them tell you you're going to hell for listening to metal. i'm gonna go listen to some sabbath now.

Inuzuka Skysword · 04-30-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

well i'm sure hardcore christian fundamentalists enjoy the argument as much as you enjoy hearing them tell you you're going to hell for listening to metal. i'm gonna go listen to some sabbath now.

Yeah, I haven't had too much trouble with them lately. It is usually them giving a bad name for secular music in general and me stepping in saying, "Hey...wait a second."

~~Gates_of_Iscariot~~ · 04-30-2008, 08:00 PM

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Alfred · 05-04-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by monarc

...! facts!
religion sux. and christianity is silly!
i will support the evil path of metal
but never will get lost in it. when u think about good bands and the styles they have then u see what is more important than to have a 666 patch...or turned-crosses.
if someone come around with his cross thinking that he is the best
i turn his sign and mock him. coz he isnt. all men are fools.
that's it.
satanism lives because of christianity and if christians/religion ****s off
then satan needs no attention.
show me worthfull things and i will beware them.
at the moment live is more like metal.evil.^^
and remember metal is art. not the real life. its a kind of symbolic
way to paint live. life is mercyless; metal too.

metalmaiden · 06-07-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

I'm disappointed with the satanism so frequent among MB metal fans. Not that I'm into religion or anything, but all this 666 skull & crossbone devil worship business, along with the anger and implied violence, is starting to make me queasy.

Why are metal fans so often taken up with satan worship, pentagrams and general dark imagery? What's wrong with something like:

In sum, why has metal been hijacked by the excessively bleak and morbid?

You know what's wrong with Christian metal? It's just not good music and the video you posted with the singer coming in with his jesus on the cross pose is the most disturbing thing i have ever seen in metal.

~~The Unfan~~ · 06-07-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by metalmaiden

You know what's wrong with Christian metal? It's just not good music

It having Christian themes doesn't change the sound of the actual music. You wouldn't dislike Iron Maiden if they had Christian lyrics, would you?

whos_next · 06-08-2008, 10:01 PM

I think alot of the bands today are going to the exteme because it's the only way they'll get noticed. Their music isn't good enough so they try to stand out by going over the top. I'm not saying all the bands who do this aren't any good. Slayer is a really talented band who happened to also shock people. Alot of these death metal bands are in my opinion crap so they try to make up for it my being controversial.

Trollheart · 10-14-2008, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

Are you suggesting metal and its fans have always been like that? I mean, what about in the early days, NWOBHM and so forth. That wasn't all through-and-through morbid, satanic and evil.

Surely the NWOBHM gave rise to a LOT of black/satanic/devil type bands, if you go just by lyrics and artwork? Iron Maiden, THE number one propenent of the NWOBHM, came up with the album "The Number of the Beast". Then there was Black Sabbath, Venom, Demon, Mercyful Fate ... the list goes on.

I THINK what you mean, maybe, is that in recent times the MOOD of HM has gotten very doomy, gloomy and bishroomie (sorry!)

, with a lot of bands focussing on the darker areas of life, but then the metal we knew in our youth (well, I did in mine) has now fragmented into so many different sub-genres --- doom, death, thrash, power, black, viking... again, the list goes on.

There are a lot of really good Heavy Metal bands still making "upbeat" music, like Dragonforce, Hammerfall etc, and of course Maiden are still around. I wouldn't say it's ALL dark...

And then, if you want the other end of the scale, I know of at least one decent Christian Metal band who kick ass as good as, if not better than, many of the acts around today. Check out Narnia's "Long live the king", and see what I mean!

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