Am I Really The Only One? (alternative, metal, pop, punk)

~~Civic Depreciator~~ · 06-05-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Laughing Boy

I don't understand how Everclear, Babes in Toyland, Beck, Blur, Husker Du, The Offspring, Jane's Addiction and Soundgarden sound like Nirvana.

Oh, okay.

Rainard Jalen · 06-06-2008, 06:19 AM

Bleach sounds like a lot of the 80s sludge metal. OBVIOUSLY not hair metal etc, lolol

Course, "About A Girl" was the blueprint for where Nirvana were headed.

Bleach was not a good album, it was the product of a band that still didn't really know what they were doing. Cobain deep down always wanted to be playing Pixies-esque pop-punk, not the crap that most of the grunge bands were playing.

Loser · 06-06-2008, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

Cobain deep down always wanted to be playing Pixies-esque pop-punk, not the crap that most of the grunge bands were playing.

Yeah...Especially when he took the riff for Smells Like Teen Spirit from them

Piss Me Off · 06-06-2008, 04:40 PM

I never got that comparison, please explain?

Rainard Jalen · 06-06-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off

I never got that comparison, please explain?

Pixies-Nirvana you mean? Kurt had expressed on various occasions how he absolutely loved what Pixies were doing, and clarified in at least one interview that he referred particularly to their utilization of the soft-loud-soft-loud aesthetic. He was inspired to do the same sort of thing (within his own framework of course) by listening to Pixies. It's not some bogus comparison, it's a fact straight from the mouth of the man himself.

Piss Me Off · 06-06-2008, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

Pixies-Nirvana you mean? Kurt had expressed on various occasions how he absolutely loved what Pixies were doing, and clarified in at least one interview that he referred particularly to their utilization of the soft-loud-soft-loud aesthetic. He was inspired to do the same sort of thing (within his own framework of course) by listening to Pixies. It's not some bogus comparison, it's a fact straight from the mouth of the man himself.

That doesn't really clarify it musically just because he said it.
And anyway i was looking for that specific example with Teen Spirit, the Soft-Loud thing just doesn't do it with me.

Loser · 06-06-2008, 07:50 PM

Rainard said it perfectly. But here is a quote from an interview he did for Rolling Stones back when it came out.

"I was trying to write the ultimate pop song. I was basically trying to rip off the Pixies. I have to admit it (smiles). When I heard the Pixies for the first time, I connected with that band so heavily I should have been in that band - or at least in a Pixies cover band. We used their sense of dynamics, being soft and quiet and then loud and hard."

The quiet and loud part really fits into Teen Spirit because that's what they did. Get very hard than quieted it down than got loud again.

SubPop · 06-06-2008, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

Nonsense , there was loads of bands doing that sort of metal/punk/noise hybrid thing around that time and you don't even have to include the grunge movement either.
Silverfish , Bomb Disneyland , ***e Bikers On Acid , Fudge Tunnel , Leatherface , Helmet , The Melvins and I guess you could include the Butthole Surfers , and stuff like Steve Albini's various bands as well.

I guess you are right, I just don't really think of those bands as being metal. Even Fudge Tunnel, who I was into a lot in the early 90's and who was on earache, I never thought of as a metal band.

The Melvins, The Butthole Surfers, Helmet and Albini's projects I definately never though of as metal.

~~Civic Depreciator~~ · 06-06-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SubPop

I guess you are right, I just don't really think of those bands as being metal. Even Fudge Tunnel, who I was into a lot in the early 90's and who was on earache, I never thought of as a metal band.

The Melvins, The Butthole Surfers, Helmet and Albini's projects I definately never though of as metal.

Fudge Tunnel-sludge metal, heavy metal, alternative metal
Melvins-heavy metal, alternative metal
Helmet-alternative metal

SubPop · 06-07-2008, 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Slint

Fudge Tunnel-sludge metal, heavy metal, alternative metal
Melvins-heavy metal, alternative metal
Helmet-alternative metal

I don't think any of them are heavy metal, but whatever you want to call them that is fine.

I can deal with Fudge Tunnel having metal attached to their name.

Helmet....meh I think helmets roots were more in the heavy alternative rock scene than any metal scene. I first saw Helmet live in 1993 and they supported Sonic Youth and Mudhoney. Hardly a metal gig. These days I think they are lumped into the metal scene as their detunned riff-o-rama sounds have been coppied by many (nu) metal bands.

The Melvins are not metal they never have been. If you must use that horrible word (grunge) fine they are heavy grunge but they are not metal.

You need to realise that heavy does not mean metal.

06-06-2008, 04:40 PM	#94 (permalink)
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06-06-2008, 06:19 AM	#92 (permalink)
Rainard Jalen Music Addict Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 2,221	Bleach sounds like a lot of the 80s sludge metal. OBVIOUSLY not hair metal etc, lolol Course, "About A Girl" was the blueprint for where Nirvana were headed. Bleach was not a good album, it was the product of a band that still didn't really know what they were doing. Cobain deep down always wanted to be playing Pixies-esque pop-punk, not the crap that most of the grunge bands were playing.

06-06-2008, 07:50 PM	#97 (permalink)
Loser The Professor Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: New York City Posts: 1,113	Rainard said it perfectly. But here is a quote from an interview he did for Rolling Stones back when it came out. "I was trying to write the ultimate pop song. I was basically trying to rip off the Pixies. I have to admit it (smiles). When I heard the Pixies for the first time, I connected with that band so heavily I should have been in that band - or at least in a Pixies cover band. We used their sense of dynamics, being soft and quiet and then loud and hard." The quiet and loud part really fits into Teen Spirit because that's what they did. Get very hard than quieted it down than got loud again.