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[MERIT] 11-23-2004 11:43 AM

Live Bands
 
Is a band good if their CD's rock but they suck live?

itchytasty 11-23-2004 02:50 PM

i would say it depends.

the band could have been having an off day, or they could just plain suck at playing thier instruments, or a band member could be ill, etc.

i'd say if you can't execute live, then that doesn't make you a good band.

i am not emo 11-23-2004 03:02 PM

what's the point in making the music if you can't play it?

Oi_To_The_World 11-23-2004 03:06 PM

some artists are naturally better live than in the studio. for example, i changed my opinions about such groups as GWAR, the Blood Brothers, and THe Box Cutters after i saw them live

itchytasty 11-23-2004 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by i am not emo
what's the point in making the music if you can't play it?

well, there is more to a live show than just sitting and playing your insturments.

a band can be near perfect but be incredibly boring.

blackTshirt 11-24-2004 12:25 AM

the question is: is a band good if their cd is cool (not great), but they sing it better live? i think so...; the other way around...i'm not too sure

[MERIT] 11-29-2004 12:12 PM

i say this b/c im a big tantric fan and when i saw them live it was just pathetic. they looked stoned and drunk and could barely play their instruments. im sure theyre not always like that but i paid $15 and wanted to see a good show. but this band named Ludo was there and they picked up the slack.

franscar 11-29-2004 12:25 PM

I think it's disappointing when a band doesn't live up to expectations live, but I don't think I've ever gone off a band simply sue to them being awful live. It'd put me off spending money on seeing them again though, certainly.

Raine 11-29-2004 06:02 PM

I'm a big fan of acoustic albums for this reason I suppose.
Acoustic albums sorta bottle all the energy and strength instead of the coals and the techno crap that masks up a singer's harsh voice or something.

At any rate, if a band is good on stage then I'll probably like them more. But in all honesty how they sound on satge doesn't matter tome too much so long as I can hear all the sweat and prespiration they're dishing out to please their fans.

And if a band sounds great on a CD toot hen big thmbs up to them. Because some people sound better on a CD than they do on a stage. And I'm ok with that.
Bands like The Foo Fighters sound great on and off the a stage, on and of a album.
It's all about the energy they put out there to show that they appreciate their fans.

TheBig3 11-29-2004 06:30 PM

in my opinion, what ever you like, whatever inspires you, is good. I mean, yeah i'd say it means they suck, but if you listen to the CD and you like it, and it lets you create music like that and you can play it live then the music wasn't without merit.

My favorite artist, Tom Waits, doesn't tour really at all. So what good is it if he can play it live or not (which he can)

itchytasty 11-29-2004 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3KilledMyRainDog
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My favorite artist, Tom Waits, doesn't tour really at all. So what good is it if he can play it live or not (which he can)

Waits is the MAN

how'd you like Real Gone?

penelly 11-30-2004 10:30 AM

A band can be good on albums, but suck live. you have to decide whether or not you would choose to doubt their credibility... its up to the persons who listens to the music..

a great live band is Papa Roach - seen 'em twice, and they totally rule..

a band that sucks live is the rasmus - how can a singer suck that bad??

[MERIT] 12-02-2004 07:14 AM

i saw papa roach live too and they do indeed kick major A$$.

Eru 12-02-2004 07:22 PM

I saw Green day live
it was amazeing
best consert i ever saw

hopefornothing 12-03-2004 07:34 AM

if anyone gets a chance to see flipped live do it they are sooo good i didn't like them until i saw them live...

tiaw 12-03-2004 12:10 PM

anyone can tweak and edit the sound of something in a studio to make it amazing, live is a different matter though. to be good live is not that common.

www.micksmetal.4t.com 09-15-2005 06:34 PM

i have seen pleanty of bands ever since 1985,,, i can say that bands sometimes have off days, when they are on stage, it even hapened to judas priest last year, and they are normaly one hell of a band live

www micksmetal.4t.com

[MERIT] 09-16-2005 07:00 AM

but gwar is by far the greatest live band.

boo boo 09-16-2005 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by i am not emo
what's the point in making the music if you can't play it?

Some artists use sharp studio production and complex methods to make a quality album, the beatles retired from doing live shows when they were making sgt peppers, they knew that the material was so complex with its use of countless overdubs, studio techniques and disperate instrumentation that they would have been incapable of playing the material live. The White Album was the same way.

[MERIT] 09-16-2005 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo
Some artists use sharp studio production and complex methods to make a quality album, the beatles retired from doing live shows when they were making sgt peppers, they knew that the material was so complex with its use of countless overdubs, studio techniques and disperate instrumentation that they would have been incapable of playing the material live. The White Album was the same way.

good point.

[MERIT] 09-16-2005 07:10 AM

btw(not trying to be a post whore) has anyone been to a fozzy concert? i hear they put on a helluva show.

guiness_sucks 09-16-2005 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by franscar
I think it's disappointing when a band doesn't live up to expectations live, but I don't think I've ever gone off a band simply sue to them being awful live. It'd put me off spending money on seeing them again though, certainly.


i saw a local band in knoxville and they rock live...a sh*t ton more emotion but thier CD is soft...a live cd would have been where they need to go......

they have to rock live and in studio or they just arent that great

fidelityfiend 09-16-2005 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by oojay
but gwar is by far the greatest live band.

you either haven't seen many shows or you just don't get it. GWAR puts on a great "show", but they are a horrible band. A bunch of no-talent morons who use theatrics to cover up their glaring lack of talent.

Any band that can't play live what they make in the studio isn't worth my time. I don't want to see a band play exactly like the studio version, but the music should be able to stand on it's own.
Example, if the truck transporting the theatric part of GWAR's show was delayed and they had to perform without it, the concert would be nothing like what they usually do, and the music would be lame without all the BS.
I recently saw the Codetalkers (do a google) at a small outdoor venue on a night when it was storming very heavily. Did they cancel? No, they went acoustic and provided the small crowd with a one-of-a-kind show to remember. That's what it's all about.

[MERIT] 09-19-2005 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fidelityfiend
you either haven't seen many shows or you just don't get it. GWAR puts on a great "show", but they are a horrible band. A bunch of no-talent morons who use theatrics to cover up their glaring lack of talent.

Any band that can't play live what they make in the studio isn't worth my time. I don't want to see a band play exactly like the studio version, but the music should be able to stand on it's own.
Example, if the truck transporting the theatric part of GWAR's show was delayed and they had to perform without it, the concert would be nothing like what they usually do, and the music would be lame without all the BS.
I recently saw the Codetalkers (do a google) at a small outdoor venue on a night when it was storming very heavily. Did they cancel? No, they went acoustic and provided the small crowd with a one-of-a-kind show to remember. That's what it's all about.

well, im pretty sure that i "get it".im meant that they put on a good show. i think ive explained that on some old gwar threads. oh, wait, ur a nooby. my bad.

white_powered_zombie 09-20-2005 04:58 AM

Some one mentioned a live album....! yeah i'm pretty sure they did, well anyway on that topic i don't think the live albums are any good, i would rather the full studio stuff or actually be their in person feeling the energy of the full event.
Not a fan of You Am I but i saw them down at the tassie falls festival and Tim Rogers was off his nut and was missing out full lines and guitar riffs, after a couple of songs when Tim was dribbling the most **** ever dribbled, the bass player came over and grabbed him and dragged him off stage! Sic **** Classic example of live being better then studio lol ;)

fidelityfiend 09-20-2005 06:30 AM

I won't debate the merits or lack thereof of a GWAR show with someone who thinks enough of them to sustain a thread or threads about them. Go see about 300 more shows of other bands and then weigh in with an informed opinion. As for the "nooby" part, you've got me there. I've been here for almost a year but usually just watch and laugh at the idiocy of it all. Enjoy your next GWAR show. Maybe you'll get lucky enough to be doused in vomit, blood, or entrails. yummy.

[MERIT] 09-20-2005 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by fidelityfiend
I won't debate the merits or lack thereof of a GWAR show with someone who thinks enough of them to sustain a thread or threads about them. Go see about 300 more shows of other bands and then weigh in with an informed opinion. As for the "nooby" part, you've got me there. I've been here for almost a year but usually just watch and laugh at the idiocy of it all. Enjoy your next GWAR show. Maybe you'll get lucky enough to be doused in vomit, blood, or entrails. yummy.

well, unless YOU have seen 300 of GWAR's live shows, or any other band for that matter, then your opinion is undoubtedly less infromed than mine. btw, if mb is full of idiots, wait a minute, youre on mb, hmmm.... 2+2=?????:usehead:

fidelityfiend 09-20-2005 07:13 AM

all right OOJAY!!!! game on. I've seen well over 300 shows by dozens if not hundreds of bands of all genres and styles. I was going to shows before you were a nasty thought. I don't know what an "infromed" opinion might be, but to think that you are more informed than I is laughable. I don't think MB is full idiots, just idiocy. Those who think that the flavor of the week is the best band ever, or that, say, GWAR is the best live band ever, or that 50 Cent rules, or any of the other inane BS that is on here qualify. You're entitled, to your opinion as I am to mine. That we don't agree elates me to no end. Just curious, are you currently holding tix to any upcoming shows? Enjoy the music of your choice and be entertained, amused, irritated, or indifferent to what's on this board. I'm sure we'll disagree about other things and I look forward to the sparring. :}

[MERIT] 09-20-2005 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by fidelityfiend
all right OOJAY!!!! game on. I've seen well over 300 shows by dozens if not hundreds of bands of all genres and styles. I was going to shows before you were a nasty thought. I don't know what an "infromed" opinion might be, but to think that you are more informed than I is laughable. I don't think MB is full idiots, just idiocy. Those who think that the flavor of the week is the best band ever, or that, say, GWAR is the best live band ever, or that 50 Cent rules, or any of the other inane BS that is on here qualify. You're entitled, to your opinion as I am to mine. That we don't agree elates me to no end. Just curious, are you currently holding tix to any upcoming shows? Enjoy the music of your choice and be entertained, amused, irritated, or indifferent to what's on this board. I'm sure we'll disagree about other things and I look forward to the sparring. :}

thank u for giving me permission to disagree w/ you. i dont know what i would have done if u didnt. and u may have seen 300 live shows, but im willing to bet that about 97% were backstreet boys or britney spears.

delusional_delirium 09-20-2005 07:22 AM

Awww! you guys shouldn't slag eachother off!! It's mean! MEANIES!!!
=P

fidelityfiend 09-20-2005 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by oojay
thank u for giving me permission to disagree w/ you. i dont know what i would have done if u didnt. and u may have seen 300 live shows, but im willing to bet that about 97% were backstreet boys or britney spears.

look at you, I try to be nice and you come back with a sarcastic ****headed remark like that. There was no permission, just stated a fact. Iv'e actually never seen BBB or that whorey skank - I wouldn't waste my money on talentless dreck like that. But you likely wouldn't know about that either. See money is what you get when you have a job and don't have to rely on mommy and daddy, or daddy and daddy, or mommy and monkey, or whatever arrangement is prevalent in your cave. If you wanna be a puckered sphincter your entire existence, that's up to you. There will always be plenty of us to hate on.

Fenixpunk 09-20-2005 08:39 AM

ive been to at least 300 shows..rap, metal, punk, screamo, blah, blah, blah.....Gwar has one of the best live shows ive seen. Some bands are performers/entertainers, some bands give everything they got in the studio and then fail miserably to get the crowd to do anything but sit there and wonder why they spent the money going. Very few bands can do both and do it really good. I agree that gwar arent the best musicians, neither are they guys from Kiss, the meatmen or motley crue but their live shows blow away most "musically talented" bands. Good music, or a good show? I can hear professionally produced/mixed/dubbed whatever music anytime at home, when im out i wanna see and experiance an intense live set, one that leaves me saying, man that was some crazy ****. the music doesnt have to be played perfect but they gotta have something going on to keep me there or make me wanna come back next time aound.

fidelityfiend 09-20-2005 09:20 AM

Well Said Fenix.

Urban Hat€monger ? 09-20-2005 11:09 AM

I have to say I thought Radioheads Kid A & Amnesiac were pretty bad until I saw them live.

Now I like them more than their other stuff

[MERIT] 09-20-2005 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by fidelityfiend
look at you, I try to be nice and you come back with a sarcastic ****headed remark like that. There was no permission, just stated a fact. Iv'e actually never seen BBB or that whorey skank - I wouldn't waste my money on talentless dreck like that. But you likely wouldn't know about that either. See money is what you get when you have a job and don't have to rely on mommy and daddy, or daddy and daddy, or mommy and monkey, or whatever arrangement is prevalent in your cave. If you wanna be a puckered sphincter your entire existence, that's up to you. There will always be plenty of us to hate on.

did u join mb to talk smack or to, oh, i dont know..maybe talk about music?! dont be a douche. and 4 your info, i dont live w/ 2 dads or in cave. please explore your fantasies on your own time. :finger:

fidelityfiend 09-20-2005 12:56 PM

OK oojay - truce? I'll stop massengilling if you'll entertain the notion that there are better live bands than GWAR. or don't, I don't care. As for my fantasies, you'll be happy to know that neither you nor your dad(s?) are in them. Peace.

Fenixpunk 09-20-2005 02:38 PM

fidelity, what are you refering to when you say "better live bands"? are you saying better sounding? or better stage show? I think that if you can explain what your going for a little better than maybe oojay and the rest of us can have a better idea whether or not we agree.

fidelityfiend 09-21-2005 06:25 AM

I didn't refer to better live bands, I mentioned other live bands. It doesn't matter if we all agree or not, it's more interesting when there are multiple opinions. I like a good show as much as anyone. Not having seen GWAR, I could be entirely wrong, they may be the best live band ever, but i doubt it. I've seen tape of them and I think they are absolutely ridiculous. I do give them credit though for milking the same tired schtick for going on what, 20 years? I guess I lump them in with WASP and the like - minimal talent and crappy songs. I have seen extravagant shows (Alice Cooper in the early 80's, Funkadelic with the spaceship, Metallica on the Justice tour etc.) and enjoyed them immensely. I guess what I'm getting at is that for me, a musician's ability to play, to improvise, to leave you with your jaw dropped - that's what really matters when they play live. It's different for everyone, and as I am double or more in years on most of the posters here, a lot of that perspective comes with age, been there done that. Where I won't waste money on the big productions anymore (except maybe Pink Floyd if they ever tour again), I understand why some people still do. Even if it's GWAR. Trust me, your tastes change and your horizons broaden as you get older. When I was a youngster, it was metal all the way. Now there is very little music I don't like, except for the puke that's on the radio, but that's a whole other thread. Lates.

[MERIT] 09-21-2005 07:05 AM

^i will definitely agree that there are better live bands than gwar. what i meant wuz that they put on a good show. i think "best" was probably the wrong term to use. truce it is.:thumb:

white_powered_zombie 09-22-2005 03:51 AM

Holy Dude after 100 threads and 60 topics later you 2 finnally realise that you have been interprating each others words WOW what an argument.


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