Bootlegs (tickets, country, metal, rock, albums)

faffri · 12-07-2008, 12:37 PM

Hi!

I have for the past year or so been takin alot of time collecting bootlegs (audience recorded concerts etc). Stuff relased on the web by fan rather then the groups. the sound rarely can compete with the sound on "regular records but i still find it great to listen to. i find it great that fans share these on web for free among eachother (i've even started my own website were one will be able to download all my bootlegrecordings ive collected)

The reason im posting this in this section is because of what i can see alot of these recordings are from rock groups and its the part of music i love more then any other

I belive that the official stuff relased from artists should be paid for by everyone, but with bootlegs i think it shall remain free on the web. not to sure how the rules are on these recordings, wether they are legal/semi-legal to share or not.

what do you think?

Mojo · 12-08-2008, 07:37 AM

Someone may want to clarify this because I may be wrong but as I understand it bootlegging is illegal, even though its unlikely to really be met with any serious legal action? Some bands do embrace it and even help to accomodate it. Metallica have a site dedicated to making officially licenced soundboard recordings of all their shows available for purchase but also dedicate a section of the venue to bootleggers to make their own recordings. Jackhammer recently posted a great link for the band Acid Mothers Temple (Internet Archive: Acid Mothers Temple) which again shows the willingness some bands have regarding legal distrubtion of their live shows. It's certainly something I'd be extremely careful with mind if you're thinking about uploading them in large numbers.

pianokeys · 12-11-2008, 12:00 AM

Bootlegging is illegal. You're not allowed to record or take photographs at a concert. Well most, I suppose. But everyone does.

That being said I love watching fan-filmed vids of shows that I was at

dac · 12-11-2008, 12:07 AM

I should have the right to record whatever is going on around me, especially if I paid $50 for a ticket. I will acknowledge that selling such recordings could be wrong, but if it is distributed for free and is used for personal enjoyment then there is absolutely nothing wrong with bootlegs. Also are there any cases where people have been charged with crimes for distributing/owning bootlegs?

pianokeys · 12-11-2008, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dac

I should have the right to record whatever is going on around me, especially if I paid $50 for a ticket. I will acknowledge that selling such recordings could be wrong, but if it is distributed for free and is used for personal enjoyment then there is absolutely nothing wrong with bootlegs. Also are there any cases where people have been charged with crimes for distributing/owning bootlegs?

None that I know of but at a concert a couple of years ago I got fined $50 for taking pictures and my camera confiscated off me. And on most tickets for shows I go to it says no recording etc.

dac · 12-11-2008, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pianokeys

None that I know of but at a concert a couple of years ago I got fined $50 for taking pictures and my camera confiscated off me. And on most tickets for shows I go to it says no recording etc.

Ouch, did you get it back? I remember at a Ben Folds concert last year this security guard just about tackled this tiny little girl for taking a picture. I've never seen a more unnecessary thing in my life.

pianokeys · 12-11-2008, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by dac

Ouch, did you get it back? I remember at a Ben Folds concert last year this security guard just about tackled this tiny little girl for taking a picture. I've never seen a more unnecessary thing in my life.

It's quite stupid because pretty much every second person in the venue will be taking a picture or doing something similar during some point of the night/ day. I got it back but it took hoursss to find out where to get it from and it was just a bitch. I was not happy. And the stupidest thing was that I took my camera to take pictures of me and my friends, not necessarily of the bands. But yeah it was ghey.

faffri · 12-14-2008, 01:30 PM

the thing about bootlegs is that they are supposed to be available for free or for trade, not to make any money out of it. since pretty much 99% of all bootlegs are not even close to the real live album quality it doesent cause them any real problem on the money part of it.

myself have pretty much bought records from all the bands i have bootlegs from. if i hear a great band on a bootleg recording i will most likely buy buy one or more albums with them, i will nerver setle with a bootleg when i could get a real show on a disc aswell.

If you ask me

official music - DONT DOWNLOAD, BUY REAL ALBUMS

Bootlegs - WELCOME TO SHARE FOR FREE

Mojo · 12-17-2008, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by faffri

the thing about bootlegs is that they are supposed to be available for free or for trade, not to make any money out of it. since pretty much 99% of all bootlegs are not even close to the real live album quality it doesent cause them any real problem on the money part of it.

myself have pretty much bought records from all the bands i have bootlegs from. if i hear a great band on a bootleg recording i will most likely buy buy one or more albums with them, i will nerver setle with a bootleg when i could get a real show on a disc aswell.

If you ask me

official music - DONT DOWNLOAD, BUY REAL ALBUMS

Bootlegs - WELCOME TO SHARE FOR FREE

If bootlegs were being consistently traded among fans for no profit then there would never be an issue but realistically this is not the case. I dont think buying a bootleg is illegal but selling them is. Im not sure if the laws differ from country to country or anything but I dont recall hearing of anyone being prosecuted for bootleg sales. Although this doesnt mean it doesnt happen I guess.

texasrocker · 12-18-2008, 09:42 AM

I've been trading bootlegs for about 6 years now, and "selling" is the big no no. I'm more into video bootlegs, my collection is mostly KISS. and there are hundreds of KISS bootlegs floating around. its a fun hobby.

12-07-2008, 12:37 PM	#1 (permalink)
faffri Groupie Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2	Bootlegs Hi! I have for the past year or so been takin alot of time collecting bootlegs (audience recorded concerts etc). Stuff relased on the web by fan rather then the groups. the sound rarely can compete with the sound on "regular records but i still find it great to listen to. i find it great that fans share these on web for free among eachother (i've even started my own website were one will be able to download all my bootlegrecordings ive collected) The reason im posting this in this section is because of what i can see alot of these recordings are from rock groups and its the part of music i love more then any other I belive that the official stuff relased from artists should be paid for by everyone, but with bootlegs i think it shall remain free on the web. not to sure how the rules are on these recordings, wether they are legal/semi-legal to share or not. what do you think?

12-11-2008, 12:07 AM	#4 (permalink)
dac MB's Biggest Fanboy Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cloud Cuckoo Land Posts: 2,852	I should have the right to record whatever is going on around me, especially if I paid $50 for a ticket. I will acknowledge that selling such recordings could be wrong, but if it is distributed for free and is used for personal enjoyment then there is absolutely nothing wrong with bootlegs. Also are there any cases where people have been charged with crimes for distributing/owning bootlegs? __________________

12-08-2008, 07:37 AM	#2 (permalink)
Mojo Melancholia Eternally Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: England Posts: 5,018	Someone may want to clarify this because I may be wrong but as I understand it bootlegging is illegal, even though its unlikely to really be met with any serious legal action? Some bands do embrace it and even help to accomodate it. Metallica have a site dedicated to making officially licenced soundboard recordings of all their shows available for purchase but also dedicate a section of the venue to bootleggers to make their own recordings. Jackhammer recently posted a great link for the band Acid Mothers Temple (Internet Archive: Acid Mothers Temple) which again shows the willingness some bands have regarding legal distrubtion of their live shows. It's certainly something I'd be extremely careful with mind if you're thinking about uploading them in large numbers.

12-11-2008, 12:00 AM	#3 (permalink)
pianokeys you wouldn't like me Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 114	Bootlegging is illegal. You're not allowed to record or take photographs at a concert. Well most, I suppose. But everyone does. That being said I love watching fan-filmed vids of shows that I was at

12-14-2008, 01:30 PM	#8 (permalink)
faffri Groupie Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 2	the thing about bootlegs is that they are supposed to be available for free or for trade, not to make any money out of it. since pretty much 99% of all bootlegs are not even close to the real live album quality it doesent cause them any real problem on the money part of it. myself have pretty much bought records from all the bands i have bootlegs from. if i hear a great band on a bootleg recording i will most likely buy buy one or more albums with them, i will nerver setle with a bootleg when i could get a real show on a disc aswell. If you ask me official music - DONT DOWNLOAD, BUY REAL ALBUMS Bootlegs - WELCOME TO SHARE FOR FREE

12-18-2008, 09:42 AM	#10 (permalink)
texasrocker Groupie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: San Antonio, Tx Posts: 3	I've been trading bootlegs for about 6 years now, and "selling" is the big no no. I'm more into video bootlegs, my collection is mostly KISS. and there are hundreds of KISS bootlegs floating around. its a fun hobby.