The Official Grunge Thread

[beat yr own KID]

Dead Meadow is the only band I know of who still has that "sound".

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Originally Posted by boo boo

In other words critical acclaim and an independent label determines weither or not a band is in it for the music and not the money, thats essentially what you are saying.

And grunge, while hardly significant by todays standards, was a credible musical movement, it is by no means one of the worst things to have happened to music, you need to save that term for something far more deserving, like brit pop.

Perhaps you should read a whole arguement rather than just take a quote out of context.
It was the original poster who claimed that grunge musicians wanted to stay obscure

Now if you are in a band and not in it for the money obviously you would sign to an indie label.
So I asked him to give me examples of critically acclaimed (not just by critics ) independant albums.

Whats so hard to understand about that?

[boo boo]

I agree that it was a rather dumb statement.

"They joined these companies because they had no choice, they were forced into it"

I don't recall major labels doing anything of the like, and if they did it would certainlly be illegal.

[Rainard Jalen]

The main problem is the idealistic insistance that having some financial motivations is wrong and therefore it automatically means the product won't be creative or innovative.

It MIGHT end up in some cases meaning that. But all it actually does mean, in and of itself, is that the artist is trying to make some money out of his works.

It's the same in music as it is in any other field, be it literature, movies or whatever. Film makers and authors can come up with novel concepts and innovative, creative plots, still with the intention to sell it to the common man. Commercial motivations do not necessarily detract from the art of it.

[boo boo]

Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

The main problem is the idealistic insistance that having some financial motivations is wrong and therefore it automatically means the product won't be creative or innovative.

It MIGHT end up in some cases meaning that. But all it actually does mean, in and of itself, is that the artist is trying to make some money out of his works.

It's the same in music as it is in any other field, be it literature, movies or whatever. Film makers and authors can come up with novel concepts and innovative, creative plots, still with the intention to sell it to the common man. Commercial motivations do not necessarily detract from the art of it.

Agree 100%, basically what these morons are trying to suggest is that actually having a job is a bad thing.

Oh well, at least they have an excuse for not having one.

[almauro]

Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen

Even if one tries (as many do) to come up with some characteristic elements of grunge music, I then guarantee that you'll find that Pearl Jam, at least, don't fit it.

One over-riding characterist was HEAVINESS. These bands had a thick bottom end, loud strong singers and guitarists, and marked the resurgence of hard rock...not metal. The most inventive musically was Soundgarden, playing psychedelic, progressive bluesy hard-rock/metal that has never been repeated by anyone else. Pearl Jam's 10 was the album most identified with Grunge, and consequently the most copied (Creed, Nickleback, Puddle of Mud, etc.). You may have a point about PJ not fitting the Grunge sound in their latter releases, but for me Pearl Jam and Grunge are inexplicably intertwined.

Party Guy

[boo boo]

True, but heaviness is an attribute that can be found in everything from metal to punk to even some prog.

[Rainard Jalen]

Originally Posted by almauro

One over-riding characterist was HEAVINESS. These bands had a thick bottom end, loud strong singers and guitarists, and marked the resurgence of hard rock...not metal. The most inventive musically was Soundgarden, playing psychedelic, progressive bluesy hard-rock/metal that has never been repeated by anyone else. Pearl Jam's 10 was the album most identified with Grunge, and consequently the most copied (Creed, Nickleback, Puddle of Mud, etc.). You may have a point about PJ not fitting the Grunge sound in their latter releases, but for me Pearl Jam and Grunge are inexplicably intertwined.

Party Guy

See, that's the thing. Regarding Ten, I just don't find it to be a particularly heavy album at all. It sounds more like classic, old school rock.

But your point is taken, all the same. I see what you mean about Creed, Puddle of Mud etc. They seem to be going more for the Vedder vocal style than anything else.

[~nutshell~]

Originally Posted by Snickers

Don't be ridiculous, why are you taking everything I say so literally?
I was going to say about 15 years ago, but I didn't think you would comment on the exact date, you know I'm partially informed.
You're still being condescending as all hell for no reason.

I did not say that you disagreed with Seattle being the birthplace of grunge, I'm aware that you just don't like the "Seattle Sound" having the word Seattle in it and being synonymous with grunge, I said there's nothing you can do about it.

Of course many different styles of music have come out of Seattle, but that doesn't mean people consider them to be related with grunge.

Also, if you don't agree with grunge being a genre, why are you referring to it as a style of music?

he's right. Seattle is associated with "grunge" because in the early nineties there was HUGE HUGE music scene in Seattle where the kids really loved the new bands and all the shows and Seattle became known for that. And since a lot of those bands DID indeed come from Seattle, I don't see a problem with referering to it as the Seattle sound if you are referring to Seattle bands. Of course other bands from other places were dumped into the grunge category as well and that probably has more to do with the timing of the release of their albums than anything else(I'm thinking Ten here, even though they're from Seattle, they had a different sound than say Nirvana), but all those bands had a raw, unique sound that hadn't been labeled before.

[gottaSCREM]

Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger

It was the original poster who claimed that grunge musicians wanted to stay obscure

I never said obscure they didn't want to be as popular as they were. They wanted to be known around their home towns as musicians not as commercial superstars.