Christian Hardcore/Metalcore
 

I'm not Christian but some of my favorite bands are.
I find that the messages in the songs are good, as long as they are not preaching to me. One band I can't stand is A Plea For Purging though.
I guess Christian hardcore/metalcore causes problems because some people out of the music scene would say that it's 'the devil's music'. But that just shows their ignnorance. What are your opinoins about "Christcore" as some would call it?

the religious background of a band should have about as much bearing on the appeal of its music as the colour of the pants you're wearing has on the price of meat at your local grocery store.

the problem with the majority of religious bands is they put faith first and music second which ALWAYS results in a sh!t band.

I think most "Christcore" bands are shit along with their secular counterparts.

That said, Underoath is a favorite band of mine.

Zao is the epitome of christian metalcore

Oh sleeper!

very true

I think a lot of them need to find a good balance. Such as A Plea For Purging..

Christian hardcore just sounds safe and uninteresting to me. And most bands just seem to sound the same. As for 'the message'? dont get me started...

I can always count on Mr. Dave to say something that will summarize a topic in one short paragraph. Kudos yet again.

Yes, and they are also incredibly awesome, not to mention groundbrealing for their time. I mean the type of stuff they were playing in like 1996 was so different. Huge influence on all these bands.

Thats twice you've mentioned this band, not exactly subtle. Not because they are christian or anything but Gwen Stacy owns.

Not the generalization thing again. A bands religious background has little or no affect on the quality of the band. Yeah I agree sometimes 'the message' is a little ridiculous, but what kind of self respecting band tries to push a religious 'message' anyway?

Exactly. This is the key difference between a Christian musician and a musician who is Christian.

Gwen Stacy does own. I wish the would come out with a new album. I mentioned APFP because I find that their lyrics are preaching to me, and they are too focused on telling a story with their lyrics, which makes the music suck. The vocals are bad IMO. This is one problem I have with August Burns Red. But they make amazing music so all is good.

I guess a lot of bands think it's like, revolutionary or something to be Christian. Or not label themselves as Christian but referance god in a alot of their songs (Attatck Attack! and older Oceana). Oceana once posted a blog on their myspace stating that they are not a christian band, but most of their lyrics are about god (Reach For The Sky). It just confuses me.

Ugh. I have a friend who only listens to music like this. Probably the worst genre ever. Everything from August Burns Red to Skillet etc. The only band that has any merit is Norma Jean, and Underoath at times.

Yes, most metalcore bands now cite them as a huge influence. Even non metalcore fans should check them out. there is a large lack of chugga with them.



Norma Jean are really copying Botch in terms of sound and message

Yeah my old band opened for Gwen Stacy at a couple shows. They are really great live, good guys too. That's the problem with the metalcore genre, there is so much crap to dig through before you get to anything worthwhile that most people just dismiss it altogether.

As for bands playing/writing christian then coming out and saying they are not later. This is usually a case of bands using the christian audience to get recognized. Mostly because it's easier to get shows when you're starting as a band. Then after they feel they have established themselves, the denounce ever being christian so they can expand their audience yet again. I've seen it done several times. Even Creed did it once.

Prime example of what I just mentioned. Although FaSho, I believe sometimes your opinion is influences bby the thoughts of others.

i think the devil wears prada, underoath and bands like that are amazing they deserve the props because they are singing bout what they believe in and people give them **** cause they scream at least they are getting their point across i love all those bands they are the best.

The punctuation situation in this post makes my head spin.

I was out of breath when I finished reading that out loud.

They are.
TDWP amazes me.
I can listen to their music with an open mind and still get everything.
You don't have to be hardcore cristian to listen to them.

Something that made me chuckle at a show I went to was when Impending Doom took the stage and announced that they would have a prayer before their set, but you didn't have to join them. It's your life. ****ing ball bags.

No ****. Pray behind the stage, thats what my band used to do and we weren't even religious.

:clap: Bravo!

I've not heard too much from these bands, aside from maybe Becoming the Archetype. But honestly, "the 'Core" sound is becoming very dried-up and repetitious. If there is a Christian theme or message, whatever... I don't care. Your song with the catchy break down isn't going to inspire me to put down my beer, stop talking about how much I think your band sucks, and go to church tomorrow morning. I'm not being mean. That's just the way it is.

Christianity already has it's own music; it's called Gospel.

I heard that.

And how did that help?

I only liked Norma Jeans Redeemer.

It didn't, I don't believe in prayer really. I mean to me praying is like writing a letter but not knowing who to address it to. But I normally would do so I didn't look like an *******.

Pfft, everyone knows Christian Hardcore isn't nearly as "core" as Muslim hardcore.

If that was real I would be so into that.

Who says it isn't? I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of hardcore kids in Iraq that want to praise Allah and make kickass music that parents won't understand.

Well then hook me up Mr Cool.

The problem I have with "christcore" is the name itself. I don't see how the band members just happening to be christians deserves an entirely new genre. I mean, whats next? Jewcore? Agnosticore? Nihilicore? Why should a band's belief system give them an entirely new genre?

I agree with mr. dave in that a bands religion or belief system shouldn't matter at all. Keeping on the topic of hardcore bands that just happen to be christian, I used to listen to Showbread. They were a kind of sludgy, hardcore punk band with synthesizers that I liked. They really didn't make a big deal about their faith, the only noticable thing being that they performed at a few churches (which confuses me, I can't picture a church letting them play).

I've had annoying experiences with "christcore" (I do admit that saying christcore or christian hardcore is easier then saying hardcore band that happens to be christian). I've met quite a few people who are really into hardcore, but are only allowed by their parents to listen to christian hardcore bands, or even worse, only christian bands in general.

I thought that was an awful record. Everything that Norma Jean was musically and vocally was watered down heavily.

Eh, I dunno.
I never really listend to their old stuff. So I wouldn't know. Some dude got me to listen to it and I liked it so I bought it.

It's seems that today's hardcore/whatevercore bands are into fitting even though they say that they just make music they enjoy. Tons of bands say, "Oh, we sound like a ton of things" and I assure you that I can find multiple bands that sounds almost exactly the same. And it seems to be whats happening with "christcore". Suddenly it's uber popular to praise Zombie Jesus before a show. And have you ever noticed that alot of "christcore" bands have synthesizers? (Ex: TDWP, Underoath, We Came as Romans)Is that like, the instrument of god? I dunno, maybe I'm just being stupid.
Edge rulez.
Zombiez dr00l.

The Chariot were one of my favourite bands for a while. They were started by Josh Scogin after leaving Norma Jean, and pretty much picked up where they left off. Heavy, heavy, heavy.

Bless the Matyr, Kiss the Child was a great album.

It was really good. I loved O God The Aftermath a lot, tho. Disconnecktie is my fave NJ track

Gotta love 'Memphis Will Be Laid to Waste', that track got me into the band.

The breakdown in that song is one of my favorite breakdowns every to be honest.

Yeah it's pretty classic. I was in love as soon as I heard that intro on the invert. What a nasty chord.

I find people who listen to hardcore stuff exclusively (like my old college roommate) kinda annoying to be honest. "Omg this breakdown is so awesome!11", "Omg this is soooo heavy!!" and so on and so forth gets pretty old to hear verrrry quickly, especially since I could show them bands all the way back from 1971 who make their favorite bands look about as brutal as The Carpenters. :laughing:

I don't listen to it exclusively, and personally believe that breakdowns are overused. But there some well written ones out there.

Their nasty chords are so well used. Even if it's straight from Botch's books.

Yeah, I've always found it gets old pretty fast. I've always been into all types of music new and old. I did listen to alot of post-hardcore and metalcore in my day, but never limited myself to just that. I guess I've grown out of that but still have a soft spot for the stuff I used to listen to.

Yeah, they can make nasty work for them. Normally I'm not a fan of noise oriented music but NJ does it very tastefully.