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Old 03-31-2008, 06:51 AM   #151 (permalink)
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I like how you list (apart from alcest) some of the worst black metal bands ever to gain any form of recognition.
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Old 03-31-2008, 04:53 PM   #152 (permalink)
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Old 04-01-2008, 12:09 PM   #153 (permalink)
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I agree man. Its mad , there is so many sub- genres. Metal is metal
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Old 04-02-2008, 03:13 AM   #154 (permalink)
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I agree man. Its mad , there is so many sub- genres. Metal is metal
Please don't start this argument again. Subgenres exist for a reason.
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Old 04-11-2008, 01:25 AM   #155 (permalink)
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I can't really listen to anything like Burzum or Gorgoroth, the overbearance on satan just kills me.
Then Burzum should be right up your alley, having only one song out of an entire musical career about satan.
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Old 04-11-2008, 04:08 AM   #156 (permalink)
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Please don't start this argument again. Subgenres exist for a reason.
Fact is, at the end of the day music is music, man. All this genre stuff is ridiculous. Why SHOULD we view 50 Cent as being in a different category to Cannibal Corpse, George Formby, Johnny Cash or even Ludwig van Beethoven? They all converge in making music when all's said and done and the dust has settled. The only differences lie in the melodies and the volume. Same could be said in a comparison of Greenday and The Offspring, both classically recognized as being the same genre. Genre's just an illusion, people. Music is music.

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Fact is, at the end of the day music is music, man. All this genre stuff is ridiculous. Why SHOULD we view 50 Cent as being in a different category to Cannibal Corpse, George Formby, Johnny Cash or even Ludwig van Beethoven? They all converge in making music when all's said and done and the dust has settled. The only differences lie in the melodies and the volume. Same could be said in a comparison of Greenday and The Offspring, both classically recognized as being the same genre. Genre's just an illusion, people. Music is music.

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Well, while that sounds like a nice romanticised view of music, I think it's more complicated... a bit of a dichotomy if anything.

I like that genre-sorting makes it easy to sort bands, trace musical history and group/find similar sounding bands etc... I don't like that people use genres as a basis for judgement instead of judging music for music's sake; e.g. metalheads often become too pigeon-holed and judge bands by metal aesthetics/standards rather than evaluating it as music in general. Therefore, metal bands which incorporate non-metal elements end up catching a lot of flak. And I don't like how artists/listeners limit themselves to certain genres - musical freedom only comes when you don't restrict yourself.

So at the end of the day, there are arguments both for and against genre-tags. There is a logical basis for categorisation, but there are also consequences which come with it... surely the best way is to be tolerant of genre-tags (and even use them if you wish), but to avoid the shortfalls by remaining open-minded and preventing categorisation from obfuscating your judgement? Well, that's my attitude towards it... I use genre-tags, I don't go overboard, I don't judge according to 'genre standards' and I don't restrict myself (much) by genre. Win win.
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One thing, Cannibal Corpse suck.
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Well, while that sounds like a nice romanticised view of music, I think it's more complicated... a bit of a dichotomy if anything.

I like that genre-sorting makes it easy to sort bands, trace musical history and group/find similar sounding bands etc... I don't like that people use genres as a basis for judgement instead of judging music for music's sake; e.g. metalheads often become too pigeon-holed and judge bands by metal aesthetics/standards rather than evaluating it as music in general. Therefore, metal bands which incorporate non-metal elements end up catching a lot of flak. And I don't like how artists/listeners limit themselves to certain genres - musical freedom only comes when you don't restrict yourself.

So at the end of the day, there are arguments both for and against genre-tags. There is a logical basis for categorisation, but there are also consequences which come with it... surely the best way is to be tolerant of genre-tags (and even use them if you wish), but to avoid the shortfalls by remaining open-minded and preventing categorisation from obfuscating your judgement? Well, that's my attitude towards it... I use genre-tags, I don't go overboard, I don't judge according to 'genre standards' and I don't restrict myself (much) by genre. Win win.
I was only kidding, totally agree. Genres are useful, but above and beyond being useful, they reflect actual real realities. There are as significant differences between say black metal and thrash metal as there are between punk and prog.
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Old 04-11-2008, 10:29 AM   #160 (permalink)
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That was a stupid thing to kid about, because you came across as totally serious.
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