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marshmallowmonkey 08-12-2005 07:53 AM

people who listen to only one genre of music and 'diss' other styles and the people who listen to it.

SATCHMO 08-12-2005 11:56 AM

People, usually "metalheads", who judge a band's/musician's greatness soley on technical proficiency. They're usually the same people who love to talk sh!t about hip-hop, which also pisses me off. C'mon people, a handful of style is worth a bucketload of skill anyday.

adidasss 08-12-2005 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO
C'mon people, a handful of style is worth a bucketload of skill anyday.

i could have used that in a discussion with fenix a while back....

Urban Hat€monger ? 08-12-2005 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO
People, usually "metalheads", who judge a band's/musician's greatness soley on technical proficiency. They're usually the same people who love to talk sh!t about hip-hop, which also pisses me off. C'mon people, a handful of style is worth a bucketload of skill anyday.

So true

I remember a while back on another forum mainly full of metalheads being lynched for suggesting that Dream Theater were bloody awful

tdoc210 08-12-2005 06:17 PM

when musics classified

SATCHMO 08-12-2005 06:19 PM

and you ran all the way to the sanctuary that is musicbanter

pastor of muppets 08-12-2005 06:35 PM

MO to the SATCH!

well, i hate people who do stuff thats bad...

PhishFood 08-12-2005 08:24 PM

I don't likr THat modern R&B contains little rythm and no blues.... Whens the last time you heard a R&B song that started with "I woke up this mornin'"

riseagainstrocks 08-12-2005 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SATCHMO
People, usually "metalheads", who judge a band's/musician's greatness soley on technical proficiency. They're usually the same people who love to talk sh!t about hip-hop, which also pisses me off. C'mon people, a handful of style is worth a bucketload of skill anyday.


whereas style is important, music is skill. you can not play instruments be stylish, and go act or something. but you ain't got the skillz to pay the billz than get the **** out.

technical proficiency is good up until the music starts to have no emotion or vibe to it.

Merkaba 08-13-2005 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by riseagainstrocks
technical proficiency is good up until the music starts to have no emotion or vibe to it.

Oh so true, bands like Dream Theater fall under this category. All skill but no fun what so ever to listen to.

Merkaba 08-13-2005 12:12 AM

Rant: Greenday thread after Greenday thread, when will it end??!?!?!

marshmallowmonkey 08-13-2005 05:17 AM

i really really like your thinking there

lucifer_sam 08-15-2008 08:59 PM

Fucking goddamn smooth jazz. Who fucking actually listens to smooth jazz?

whiplash 08-15-2008 09:59 PM

When people say that they are a fan of a band, and then they only know one song.

NSW 08-15-2008 10:05 PM

When people say "Dude, 'All Along the Watchtower' is like, the best song Jimi Hendrix ever wrote!".

Edit: I just read LS's post about smooth jazz, and my hatred for it boiled up again. Anyway...they both suck.

ProggyMan 08-15-2008 10:14 PM

Well, he pretty much changed the entire song...

lucifer_sam 08-16-2008 10:25 AM

And there are still idiots out there that like the Bob's version better. I think Dylan himself switched to Jimi's arrangement. Of course, I dunno if he could ever pull it off that well...

simplephysics 08-16-2008 11:05 AM

I think any mentions of Pitchfork should be banned from this site.

boo boo 08-16-2008 01:19 PM

At least one third of progarchives members.

Its good to know Radiohead albums can never get so much as a 4 star overall rating because there are too many old fogeys who think any new bands that don't follow the 70s prog sound to not be progressive in any way, because "progressive" clearly means ripping off Genesis for your entire career.

And so on the forums these guys rant about how Radiohead is just 'bland commercial radio alt rock", talk about how great Saga is and get all tard happy about that Kansas concert they're going to.

jackhammer 08-16-2008 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 507342)
At least one third of progarchives members.

Its good to know Radiohead albums can never get so much as a 4 star overall rating because there are too many old fogeys who think any new bands that don't follow the 70s prog sound to not be progressive in any way, because "progressive" clearly means ripping off Genesis for your entire career.

And so on the forums these guys rant about how Radiohead is just 'bland commercial radio alt rock", talk about how great Saga is and get all tard happy about that Kansas concert they're going to.

If they are like that, then they are a bunch of narrow minded idiots who don't deserve to be called music fans if they have their heads stuck in the past.

boo boo 08-16-2008 01:25 PM

But thankfully theres some really open minded guys there too. Not all prog fans are middle aged man stuck in the 70s.

But unfortunately a lot of them are. The kind that talks about how closed minded kids are for not appreciating the greatness of Mike Oldfield, all the while pretty much dismissing every other genre of music.

jackhammer 08-16-2008 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 507347)
But thankfully theres some really open minded guys there too. Not all prog fans are middle aged man stuck in the 70s.

But unfortunately a lot of them are. The kind that talks about how closed minded kids are for not appreciating the greatness of Mike Oldfield, all the while pretty much dismissing every other genre of music.

Oh yeah, no doubt there are open minded people and good on them. The one thing I absolutely detest in Music is close mindedness. By all means you don't have to be as eclectic as some of us but at least give ANY music a listen before you form an opinion. I don't think I could stay long on those forums and I like my Prog.

The Unfan 08-17-2008 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 507275)
And there are still idiots out there that like the Bob's version better. I think Dylan himself switched to Jimi's arrangement. Of course, I dunno if he could ever pull it off that well...

As a Jimi Hendrix fan I can honestly say he pretty much ruined the song and completely missed the mood of it. While more appealing from the stance of a guitarist everything else about the song feels soulless and dead. Bob's version is leagues ahead of it.

boo boo 08-17-2008 02:42 PM

He ruined the song? :laughing:

I didn't know making a song your own meant you were ruining it.

ProggyMan 08-17-2008 04:03 PM

Dylan's version is better, but ruining it?

The Unfan 08-17-2008 04:13 PM

Indeed. It meanders into this unemotive wank that just doesn't fit the mood of the song at all. It has no feeling. Plenty of depth and technicality but it just isn't the moving piece it should be.

lucifer_sam 08-17-2008 05:48 PM

You're just being a wanker on purpose. Even if you think that Hendrix's version is somehow worse, it certainly did justice to Dylan's in every respect. And I'm pretty sure that it wasn't unemotional at all. His voice reaches into great depth when he's singing. If it came across that way, that's just Hendrix's style coming through. He was very good, but he never made it look like (or sound like) he was trying too hard.

And you still haven't explained why Dylan himself switched to Hendrix's arrangement.

boo boo 08-17-2008 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 507821)
You're just being a wanker on purpose.

It took you over 900 posts to figure that out?

Son of JayJamJah 08-17-2008 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ProggyMan (Post 507765)
Dylan's version is better, but ruining it?

Dylan's version is not better.

boo boo 08-17-2008 06:30 PM

With the exception of Guns N Roses covering Knockin On Heavens Door, if you cover a Bob Dylan song, it's gauranteed to be better than the original.

NicoleJo 08-17-2008 06:38 PM

Whoever
invented rap can trip a fall in a ditch.
That's what pisses me off about music.

simplephysics 08-17-2008 06:44 PM

loozlzozlz you can't spell crap without rap right?

sweet_nothing 08-17-2008 06:52 PM

I No Rite??//?

ProggyMan 08-17-2008 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by NicoleJo (Post 507845)
Whoever
invented rap can trip a fall in a ditch.
That's what pisses me off about music.

Why?

Quote:

Dylan's version is not better.
Why?

lucifer_sam 08-17-2008 09:05 PM

It's just her opinion, man. Of course, not everbody feels that way. She can still rant about it if she wants to though...

simplephysics 08-17-2008 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 507920)
It's just her opinion, man. Of course, not everbody feels that way. She can still rant about it if she wants to though...


The thing is I'm about 98% sure she said that without hearing any hip hop outside of what's played on the radio.

dac 08-17-2008 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by boo boo (Post 507342)
At least one third of progarchives members.

Its good to know Radiohead albums can never get so much as a 4 star overall rating because there are too many old fogeys who think any new bands that don't follow the 70s prog sound to not be progressive in any way, because "progressive" clearly means ripping off Genesis for your entire career.

And so on the forums these guys rant about how Radiohead is just 'bland commercial radio alt rock", talk about how great Saga is and get all tard happy about that Kansas concert they're going to.

marry me? haha jk

anyways i hate metalheads, or anyone that restricts themselves to one genre, but metalheads usually grind my gears the most because they like to try to physically fight you if you question their reasoning

and also, even though its already been said, people who base music quality on technical proficiency... wait, that's 99% of metalheads

ok metalheads pretty much

lucifer_sam 08-17-2008 10:23 PM

jackhammer's a self-proclaimed metalhead and he's pretty reasonable. He could be part of the 1% though. I've met some pretty belligerent metalheads who hate on everybody, including fellow metalheads because they weren't hardcore enough.

What pisses me off more is twonks and psuedo-intellectuals who judge music based upon their perception of a band rather than its music.

dac 08-17-2008 10:38 PM

i've only met the belligerent ones

boo boo 08-17-2008 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by dac (Post 507944)
marry me? haha jk

anyways i hate metalheads, or anyone that restricts themselves to one genre, but metalheads usually grind my gears the most because they like to try to physically fight you if you question their reasoning

and also, even though its already been said, people who base music quality on technical proficiency... wait, that's 99% of metalheads

ok metalheads pretty much

"Did you punks just say Kirk Hammett is a better guitarist than Marty Friedman?"

*slashes throats*

\m/

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Originally Posted by lucifer_sam (Post 507946)
What pisses me off more is twonks and psuedo-intellectuals who judge music based upon their perception of a band rather than its music.

This is one of the biggest problems I have about indie fans.

Indie culture today from my perspective has just become this big race to find and praise the most obscure artists and albums possible, and quality seems to be irrelevant.

I know that by saying that, this big trap of mine is probably gonna get me in trouble again, but it's the only thing IMO that could possibly explain the popularity of Merzbow.


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