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Wpnfire 09-05-2014 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism (Post 1485287)
My stance on the whole Metallica vs. Megadeth debate has always simply been based around my belief that Megadeth is the better band. It has nothing to do with beef with Metallica for me. I feel that Mustaine is a better songwriter and frontman than James, and has more depth in his guitar playing than Kirk. I've also always believed that Lars is sort of a sloppy drummer. So I guess I'm also saying that Megadeth is comprised of better musicians as well. Although. Metallica are still comprised of great musicians too, save for Lars...he can play, but as I said...his playing has always sounded sloppy to me.

That's not what I'm talking about. I think Metallica is better for a variety of reasons, but I have tons of respect for Megadeth. In my experience, I can't say the same vice-versa for most Megadeth fans about Metallica.

The Batlord 09-05-2014 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LeHetfield James (Post 1485329)
That's not what I'm talking about. I think Metallica is better for a variety of reasons, but I have tons of respect for Megadeth. In my experience, I can't say the same vice-versa for most Megadeth fans about Metallica.

That's mostly because of a misplaced sense of loyalty to Dave Mustaine. I imagine most of those people don't know what a cock he is.

Wpnfire 09-05-2014 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CoNtrivedNiHilism (Post 1485287)
My stance on the whole Metallica vs. Megadeth debate has always simply been based around my belief that Megadeth is the better band. It has nothing to do with beef with Metallica for me. I feel that Mustaine is a better songwriter and frontman than James, and has more depth in his guitar playing than Kirk. I've also always believed that Lars is sort of a sloppy drummer. So I guess I'm also saying that Megadeth is comprised of better musicians as well. Although. Metallica are still comprised of great musicians too, save for Lars...he can play, but as I said...his playing has always sounded sloppy to me.

Also since we're talking Metallica vs. Megadeth...

I prefer Metallica to Megadeth. The first reason for this is because Metallica has a more brutal, thicker, and heavier sound. All of Metallica's riffs are downpicked. That by itself is awesome, but their riffs are a constant presence and the driving force of most of their songs, as opposed to blinding fast riffs Mustaine often plays that are not usually downpicked. It's a different style, and different songwriting. I'll take the intro to "Master of Puppets" to "Holy Wars..." 100% of the time.

There isn’t a single guitar solo in thrash metal that I like, so the fact that Mustaine often writes 4-5 mini-solos into his songs isn’t exactly something that I care for.

As far as songwriting, I just prefer Metallica's approach. Their instrumentals on their first four albums are very impressive, their lyrics are simplistic, and I find Metallica's albums are generally more well-structured and true to a theme than Megadeth's.

As far as Ulrich, I actually like that’s he’s a sub-par drummer, because he just plays in rhythm with the guitars, which makes the guitars more noticeable. Also, because Metallica does not emphasize speed much, Lars plays heavier. Can you name a more powerful beat than “Sad But True?” I can’t. The snare drum on that song is absolutely sensational.


tl;dr: I much prefer Metallica's heavier, slower sound to Megadeth's technical, faster sound.

The Batlord 09-05-2014 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by LeHetfield James (Post 1485332)
As far as Ulrich, I actually like that’s he’s a sub-par drummer, because he just plays in rhythm with the guitars, which makes the guitars more noticeable. Also, because Metallica does not emphasize speed much, Lars plays heavier. Can you name a more powerful beat than “Sad But True?” I can’t. The snare drum on that song is absolutely sensational.

What's with people liking "Sad but True"? It's just a more boring version of "Harvester of Sorrow", which is heavier than dog****.

Plankton 09-05-2014 10:26 AM

I dig some Megadeth, and I grew up on Metallica, but from a longevity standpoint, Metallica has more staying power. Mustaine and his drug addled behavior may have fueled his popularity, but really took it's toll on the music. Take a look at the past/current band members of both bands, and that'll put some things in perspective. It's hard to get chemistry going when you have a band with a revolving door. The one thing Dave had going for him was Marty Friedman, but he blew that. Friedman stated "Musical differences" for his reason to leave, but I'll bet money that the real reason was that Mustaine was just a dick.

CoNtrivedNiHilism 09-05-2014 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by LeHetfield James (Post 1485332)
Also since we're talking Metallica vs. Megadeth...

I prefer Metallica to Megadeth. The first reason for this is because Metallica has a more brutal, thicker, and heavier sound. All of Metallica's riffs are downpicked. That by itself is awesome, but their riffs are a constant presence and the driving force of most of their songs, as opposed to blinding fast riffs Mustaine often plays that are not usually downpicked. It's a different style, and different songwriting. I'll take the intro to "Master of Puppets" to "Holy Wars..." 100% of the time.

There isn’t a single guitar solo in thrash metal that I like, so the fact that Mustaine often writes 4-5 mini-solos into his songs isn’t exactly something that I care for.

As far as songwriting, I just prefer Metallica's approach. Their instrumentals on their first four albums are very impressive, their lyrics are simplistic, and I find Metallica's albums are generally more well-structured and true to a theme than Megadeth's.

As far as Ulrich, I actually like that’s he’s a sub-par drummer, because he just plays in rhythm with the guitars, which makes the guitars more noticeable. Also, because Metallica does not emphasize speed much, Lars plays heavier. Can you name a more powerful beat than “Sad But True?” I can’t. The snare drum on that song is absolutely sensational.


tl;dr: I much prefer Metallica's heavier, slower sound to Megadeth's technical, faster sound.

All notable points.

It's also the perfect example of a difference of opinion expressed in an ideal way. Makes it easy for a conversation to flow without opinions clashing to the point of causing offense.

I'll say that the guys in Metallica could have gotten a drummer that does everything Ulrich already does, but better. I understand that the guys felt that Ulrich was perfect for what they wanted to achieve, I mean obviously the formula or idea behind the band has worked with mostly original members, save for the never forgotten Cliff Burton, tragic...and Jason Newsted was not at all a half bad bass player, he's actually a pretty accomplished one. I'll always prefer him over Rob Trujillo. Not to say Rob isn't any good, because he's great.

And aside from what I already mentioned for my reasoning behind saying I prefer Mustaine of Hetfield, I really cannot think of any other reasons. Mustaine has his issues, he's always been unstable and hard to work with. But underneath all of that is a great musician. I might go back and listen to all of the earlier Metallica material and compare it to some of Megadeths earlier catalog, my opinion of the two bands could have changed a bit over the years from not really paying attention to either band since maybe 2005.

Blue Hawk 02-11-2016 04:16 AM

Megadeth sucks
 
Metallica




Slayer


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqnC54vbUbU

Anthrax


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGHsxMqpL0c

Megadeth


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkJEvpwDBXY

Paul Smeenus 02-11-2016 09:24 AM

Like there's any of those, even Slayer, that didn't eventually sell out and/or put out a sh*tty album.

I'm definitely not a Mustaine fan but even Megadeth had their moments.

TheLhix 02-11-2016 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus (Post 1679262)
Like there's any of those, even Slayer, that didn't eventually sell out and/or put out a sh*tty album.

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Agreed. Coming from a fan of Metallica and slayer who really hasnt cared much for the other two of the "big four" this is very accurate.

SuperSymmetry 02-11-2016 10:21 AM

The whole Megadeth vs. Metallica thing is just silly. Do people really have nothing better to do than to be militant fanboys over a band?

Blue Hawk 02-11-2016 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus (Post 1679262)
Like there's any of those, even Slayer, that didn't eventually sell out and/or put out a sh*tty album.

True, but they never sounded so cheesy.

Paul Smeenus 02-11-2016 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Hawk (Post 1679283)
True, but they never sounded so cheesy.

And I completely agree, but there's even with that a mattering of the early albums that's ok

The Batlord 02-11-2016 10:32 AM

Your mom sucks.

Norg 02-12-2016 12:41 AM

is this like a Primus Sucks thing


Didn't know megadeth had that same humor thing going ..????

Blue Hawk 02-12-2016 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus (Post 1679285)
And I completely agree, but there's even with that a mattering of the early albums that's ok

Even their most popular album, Rust in Peace, is weak. 'Hangar 18' don't even sound like thrash metal.

Paul Smeenus 02-12-2016 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Blue Hawk (Post 1679432)
Even their most popular album, Rust in Peace, is weak. 'Hangar 18' don't even sound like thrash metal.


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Janszoon 02-12-2016 04:18 AM

I've never heard a Megadeth album that I liked. I did see them live a long time ago though and they were pretty good in that context.

Blue Hawk 02-12-2016 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Smeenus (Post 1679434)

Rust in Peace - Review by Falconsbane - Encyclopaedia Metallum: The Metal Archives

Paul Smeenus 02-12-2016 08:15 AM

Yeah? Well, you know, that's just like his opinion, man.

FRED HALE SR. 02-12-2016 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by blue hawk (Post 1679283)
megadeth never sounded so cheesy as enter sandman did.

ftfy

SatoshiNak 02-12-2016 09:01 AM

I'm a huge fan of Megadeth up to and including Rust In Peace. Marty wanted to go in a softer direction and although there are some good songs on the Countdown and Youthanasia albums, it just doesn't compare at all to the old Megadeth when Mustaine was pissed-off and fueled by heroin and cocaine. I love old Metallica, too but am not a fan of much of anything past ...And Justice For All.




bflattery 03-10-2016 09:00 PM

Dave's Megadeth is a shredding band while Metallica is uh...is..well ok I guess. I felt that the breakup or leave of Dave was best for both. Dave was why I was a Metallica fan to begin with so...

radiantriad 04-15-2016 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bflattery (Post 1685611)
Dave was why I was a Metallica fan to begin with so...

Damn, really? you were a fan back before Dave got kicked out?

Two Spirit 08-31-2016 03:52 AM

I've just started getting into these guys, and I find them much more interesting than Metallica. So far, I've purchased everything up to The System Has Failed. It's all I've been listening to lately.

Thorinton 09-02-2016 12:55 AM

I've been a Megadeth fan since Peace Sells. However, they jumped the shark after Hidden Treasures and I've only heard spotty material here and there, like the song 44 Minutes on Endgame.

Two Spirit 09-28-2016 08:40 PM

I live near Portland OR, and just found out these guys are playing down in Eugene tonight. How did I miss this?

blackdragon123 11-23-2016 09:53 AM

'Angry Again' is the only Megadeth song I've ever listened to and thought "Yeah. I dig it."

The others I've heard make me think "I don't see how playing a pretty generic metal song really, really fast makes it any good."

Two Spirit 11-26-2016 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by blackdragon123 (Post 1771804)
'Angry Again' is the only Megadeth song I've ever listened to and thought "Yeah. I dig it."

The others I've heard make me think "I don't see how playing a pretty generic metal song really, really fast makes it any good."

Have you listened to any of their post-Rust In Peace material?

The Batlord 11-26-2016 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Spirit (Post 1773095)
Have you listened to any of their post-Rust In Peace material?

"Angry Again" is on Youthanasia so I would assume.

Two Spirit 11-26-2016 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 1773119)
"Angry Again" is on Youthanasia so I would assume.

It was actually on the "Last Action Hero" soundtrack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angry_Again

The Batlord 11-26-2016 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Spirit (Post 1773127)
It was actually on the "Last Action Hero" soundtrack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angry_Again

I'm assuming they weren't listening to the Last Action Hero soundtrack.

blackdragon123 12-03-2016 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Spirit (Post 1773095)
Have you listened to any of their post-Rust In Peace material?

Not sure but I'll give it a whirl. I'd gladly pay for an album featuring 40 minutes of Dave telling the story of some punk shouting "YEAAH METALLICA" at him.


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