Burzum

~~CAPTAIN CAVEMAN~~ · 11-19-2009, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by toretorden

Put simply, artists benefit from people listening to them - whether they spend money on their albums, spend money on concerts or other wares, spread the artists' popularity so that other people spend money/spread it further, listen to them on services like spotify so that they get higher ratings and make more cash, heighten their status as musician - such as praising his influence on black metal, etc etc etc.

Ask the opposite; how does listening to Burzum not support Vikernes? That's a harder question to answer, I think.

i can see where you're coming from, but i don't, nor do i plan on, paying for anything released by burzum. and even if i did, i do not think it supports vikernes' views, which he would hold regardless of his income from burzum. listening to his music doesn't mean one supports him, because there is no inherent connection between the act of listening to and enjoying the music and the act of agreeing with his social/philosophical beliefs.

Guybrush · 11-19-2009, 05:34 PM

Well, the point wasn't that listening to Burzum makes you a racist, but it does make you support Vikernes who is a murderous, racist bastard. If his music conveys his racist views and you dig it and help popularize it, then I'd say yeah - you're supporting that message by appreciating the way it is presented and by supporting him which in turn helps him produce more, but honestly I don't know whether or not his music is racist or not.

I don't wanna support the guy on any level - money, message or whatever - so I don't listen to it.

Terrible Lizard · 11-19-2009, 06:53 PM

I've found more enjoyment in viewing Burzum's lyrics as an unintentional parody of Tolkien. I'm looking forward to the new album.

Axiomatic Wiki · 11-19-2009, 08:19 PM

You can choose not to believe him, but Varg has claimed to no longer possess the racial views he once did, saying that he was a stupid kid back then.

Guybrush · 11-20-2009, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Axiomatic WIki

You can choose not to believe him, but Varg has claimed to no longer possess the racial views he once did, saying that he was a stupid kid back then.

I don't think so. Here's a quote the "A Burzum Story: Part X - The White God" written recently which you can read on his website.

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Originally Posted by Varg Vikernes, 14.11.2009

The "black metallers" will probably continue to "get loaded", "get high", and in all other manners too behave like the stereotypical Negro; they will probably continue to get foreign tribal tattoos, dress, walk, talk, look and act like homosexuals, and so forth.

Source : http://www.burzum.org/eng/library/a_..._story10.shtml

Maybe he's much less of a racist now than he was. I don't know

Axiomatic Wiki · 11-20-2009, 02:04 PM

sadasddasd

I stand corrected!

Norg · 11-20-2009, 10:44 PM

If he does make a NEw album it will not be Black Metal and it will prob not be that good Hes old hes lost touch with alot of music he missed the moods and what not

and in terms of Skills hes not that good or dedacated to the Craft of songwriting

hip hop bunny hop · 11-21-2009, 09:30 PM

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If he does make a NEw album it will not be Black Metal and it will prob not be that good Hes old hes lost touch with alot of music he missed the moods and what not

This. As time has progressed, he's strayed farther away from black metal. Considering his newest material was just him plodding away on a cheap synthesizer, to poor effect, I'm really not interested.

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It doesn't matter how popular more intelligent black metal bands like Cobalt and Deathspell Omega get, they're always going to take a backseat in the mind of the public because of the controversy that follows Varg Vikernes and that small part of the music scene.

The bands you mention are worthless and vapid. They are black metal in form of aesthetics, but in substance they're about as far as removed from black metal as one can get. Calling them black metal is like calling a lump of white sugar, with a dark chocolate coating, dark chocolate.

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As far as his music is concerned, I've never listened to it. What annoys me most about his presence is the racism aspect. The churches, I could give a **** about. The murder was also something that was ****ing ridiculous.

It's odd that you latch onto the racist aspect more than, you know, murder.... but, regardless, ignoring celebrated music because of the musicians world views is stupid. It's lifestyle politics of the worst order, as it does nothing to effect change, aside from inflating some individuals ego.

Further, the music doesn't promote racism.

Axiomatic Wiki · 11-21-2009, 09:49 PM

With his recent works, he has only had access to a Synth, so it should not be assumed that he will be doing the same kind of stuff that he was doing in prison, once he is out. I think I read in an interview that he plans to pic off where he left off with Filosofem.

Yeah it has been a really long time since he has actually made black metal, and yeah the world has changed, but if he can still make music they way he used to, I mean, if Filosofem was released today, besides the horrible sound quality, I would still regard it as a great album. If he can really pick up where he left off, as improbably as that might be, I think he will make great music

My main point is that I don't think fans of Burzum black metal should automatically assume that his new music will be ****.

Terrible Lizard · 11-21-2009, 10:02 PM

This. As time has progressed, he's strayed farther away from black metal. Considering his newest material was just him plodding away on a cheap synthesizer, to poor effect, I'm really not interested.

The bands you mention are worthless and vapid. They are black metal in form of aesthetics, but in substance they're about as far as removed from black metal as one can get. Calling them black metal is like calling a lump of white sugar, with a dark chocolate coating, dark chocolate.

Better than Dimmu Borgir.

11-19-2009, 05:34 PM	#12 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Well, the point wasn't that listening to Burzum makes you a racist, but it does make you support Vikernes who is a murderous, racist bastard. If his music conveys his racist views and you dig it and help popularize it, then I'd say yeah - you're supporting that message by appreciating the way it is presented and by supporting him which in turn helps him produce more, but honestly I don't know whether or not his music is racist or not. I don't wanna support the guy on any level - money, message or whatever - so I don't listen to it. __________________ Something Completely Different

11-19-2009, 06:53 PM	#13 (permalink)
Terrible Lizard **ER OF HOLES Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Butt**, Nebraska Posts: 1,211	I've found more enjoyment in viewing Burzum's lyrics as an unintentional parody of Tolkien. I'm looking forward to the new album. __________________ “YOU ARE SCUM SLUT.” -John Martyn

11-19-2009, 08:19 PM	#14 (permalink)
Axiomatic Wiki Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Souvlaki Space Station Posts: 99	You can choose not to believe him, but Varg has claimed to no longer possess the racial views he once did, saying that he was a stupid kid back then. __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/AxiomaticWiki

11-20-2009, 02:04 PM	#16 (permalink)
Axiomatic Wiki Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Souvlaki Space Station Posts: 99	sadasddasd I stand corrected! __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/AxiomaticWiki

11-21-2009, 09:49 PM	#19 (permalink)
Axiomatic Wiki Music Addict Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Souvlaki Space Station Posts: 99	With his recent works, he has only had access to a Synth, so it should not be assumed that he will be doing the same kind of stuff that he was doing in prison, once he is out. I think I read in an interview that he plans to pic off where he left off with Filosofem. Yeah it has been a really long time since he has actually made black metal, and yeah the world has changed, but if he can still make music they way he used to, I mean, if Filosofem was released today, besides the horrible sound quality, I would still regard it as a great album. If he can really pick up where he left off, as improbably as that might be, I think he will make great music My main point is that I don't think fans of Burzum black metal should automatically assume that his new music will be ****. __________________ http://www.last.fm/user/AxiomaticWiki

11-20-2009, 10:44 PM	#17 (permalink)
Norg Music Addict Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,344	If he does make a NEw album it will not be Black Metal and it will prob not be that good Hes old hes lost touch with alot of music he missed the moods and what not and in terms of Skills hes not that good or dedacated to the Craft of songwriting

11-21-2009, 10:02 PM	#20 (permalink)
Terrible Lizard **ER OF HOLES Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Butt**, Nebraska Posts: 1,211	This. As time has progressed, he's strayed farther away from black metal. Considering his newest material was just him plodding away on a cheap synthesizer, to poor effect, I'm really not interested. The bands you mention are worthless and vapid. They are black metal in form of aesthetics, but in substance they're about as far as removed from black metal as one can get. Calling them black metal is like calling a lump of white sugar, with a dark chocolate coating, dark chocolate. Better than Dimmu Borgir. __________________ “YOU ARE SCUM SLUT.” -John Martyn