Aren't pretty much all of Metallica's early songs in Em? Or is that just rumor my old guitar teacher spread?

Gotta go with Metallica even though I love Slayer.

I would consider AJFA a transitional album for Metallica. In that respect, it sounds just as much like Master of Puppets as it does to The Black Album. The two can't really be pulled that far apart from each other. Despite what these posts would indicate, "One" is just as radio-friendly as "Enter Sandman", regardless of any differences found in the songs. People seem to forget that, despite the more instantaneous mainstream success The Black Album had, AJFA had quite a bit to do the popularization of the band within the non-metal suburban teen crowd (especially with the popularity of the "One" music video, the band's first Grammy nomination, the fact that it went platinum 9 weeks after release). Those who didn't see an album like the Black Album coming next were foolish. The Black Album, rather than being some sort of quick jump in a different direction, was actually a continuation down a path Metallica had already laid out with AJFA.

That being said, there are a couple differences between the two albums. Yes, AJFA has longer songs. Yes, AJFA has a more progressive metal sound. But these differences are far too overemphasized. The overall Metallica sound is retained between the two albums. The two are only different enough to allow preferences to lead one to liking one over the other. The Black Album wasn't some giant leap away for the band. It was just slightly more catchy (and wrongfully judged from its first three singles, "Enter Sandman", "The Unforgiven", and "Nothing Else Matters", which I think are the worst on the album) and capitalized on the increasing popularity the band initially gained from AJFA.

I am willing to bet that if AJFA was as immediately successful as The Black Album it would garner as much hatred and "irrelevance" on this thread as The Black Album did.

To say that The Black Album is irrelevant is ridiculous on so many levels. Yes, the amount of albums sold DOES make a difference. It was the best selling metal album of the time and the 25th best selling album in the US. The album is responsible for bringing countless new metal fans into the industry and helped the entire genre of metal grow exponentially. Making comparisons to the Spice Girls and The Backstreet Boys is simply juvenile. If anything is irrelevant in this thread, it is attempting to compare musical groups of a COMPLETELY different genre. The dynamics of pop and metal and the factors necessary to make each successful are so vastly different its almost laughable you thought the two could be compared, especially with the purpose of differentiating two metal albums. The only similarity is that fans within each respective genre liked the albums so a lot of albums were sold. How many albums the Spice Girls sold had nothing to do with Metallica. Period.

Whether you think so or not, Metallica has consistently offered quality music (except St. Anger and some of ReLoad). Other than a few ballads, Metallica's music really isn't mainstream sounding (even their newest). They are successful for the right reasons. They have a wide variety of fans because they have put out a wide variety of music.

I voted for Metallica by the way. Slayer is better if you are looking for consistent aggression and speed. And I hate Lars. But I like bands that change it up, as long as they still sound like the same band at the end of the day. Other than a few bad songs in ReLoad and the St. Anger album, Metallica has kept consistent quality while still experimenting with their sound.

i like your post, but the only reason we brought up the backstreet boys and spice girls was to show what kind of logic that was being used. someone made the claim that the black album sold millions= relevant. well the same logic can be used to proove any top selling artist to be relevant then. we were just trying to proove that selling lots of records doesn't make an artist relevant if the album is totally lame..

These bands haven't been musically relevant for over ten years but culturally and socially they still are to this day which is something that 75% of artists out there would kill for.

Outside of mainstream pop (regarding critics opinions), this sort of music is STILL maligned to this day yet Metal bands can still consistently fill festivals and halls and attract a whole generation of fans from sons to grandfathers with careers spanning decades and not just years.

Whether people like it or not, many Metal bands have as much importance as classic Soul and Reggae artists as well as many singer songwriters in terms of longevity and dogged determination to stick to their guns musically and still appeal to people.

People don't have to like Metal at all but there are far too many people who don't give respect for bands with 10, 20, 30 year careers behind them who still sell records and can command audiences of thousands.

OT I know- sorry.

what if they put out garbage material for the latter 2/3 of a 30 year timespand? wouldn't you write them off and not care about them anymore? i would..

I can see what you are saying. An irrelevant and bad artist (Backstreet Boys IMO) selling a gazillion albums does not make them relevant. However, this case is different. I think the difference here is that we are dealing with a genre and band that wasn't mainstream (at the time) that brought in a whole new following with just one album. The Black Album is historic in that sense. I would even say was kind of the main evangelical metal album of the 90s. It opened up the path to more extreme genres for many people. The fact that it sold 15 million in the US alone really showed at the time that metal wasn't going away. In fact, Metallica did that as a band throughout their career. They may not have released anything as groundbreaking as MoP recently, but they still tour and are still backed by an influential and inspirational career. Most importantly, though, they are still releasing quality music. In that respect, I would say they are relevant.

that sounds fair enough to me..

almost all of Metallica are either in E or D (they only sound minor-esque cos they're power chords and they're usually chromatic rather than the usual scale)

the ballads are in Em