5th Essential Metal Band?

jackhammer · 08-18-2010, 05:37 PM

Motorhead are a Rock N Roll band

Lemmy HATES Motorhead being called a Metal band.

It's all definition though isn't it. AC/DC could be classed as Metal and thus; one of the best bands ever but they are souped up Rock N Roll and so are Motorhead (even if a metallic edge is heard in their music)

Venom
Mercyful Fate
Void
Slayer

are a few bands that epitomise a particular Metal sound with very little deviation.

I still think that you only need early Sabbath and you have the basis for the distorted riff that songs are built around. Everything else is a welcome bonus.

mr dave · 08-18-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

Motorhead are a Rock N Roll band

Lemmy HATES Motorhead being called a Metal band.

fair, but i was looking at it more in terms of said band's essential-ness to metal. whether Lemmy likes it or not, Motorhead was and still IS essential to metal.

jackhammer · 08-18-2010, 06:34 PM

'Is' certainly doesn't apply anymore although the classic trio through Overkill, Bomber and Ace Of Spades were killer albums and certainly infused Thrash Metal for sure but for some reason I can't put them into essential Metal personally.

1979 Motorhead, AC/DC, Ramones would still be the ultimate gig for me though. Off topic whoops!

Rage Against the Machine · 08-18-2010, 06:35 PM

Neurosis. they're kind of underappreciated but so much modern metal (particularly sludge/post metal) owes so much to them. Also, that list sucks.

mr dave · 08-18-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jackhammer

'Is' certainly doesn't apply anymore although the classic trio through Overkill, Bomber and Ace Of Spades were killer albums and certainly infused Thrash Metal for sure but for some reason I can't put them into essential Metal personally.

1979 Motorhead, AC/DC, Ramones would still be the ultimate gig for me though. Off topic whoops!

yeah i was shooting from the hip by the end of that and got carried away. i don't think anyone could have survived that '79 show if it would have happened hehehe.

@RATM - good call on Neurosis but wouldn't any kind of influence to sludge metal still ultimately come from Sabbath? take away the sludge and what did Neurosis do that Voivod didn't?

sixshooter500 · 08-19-2010, 01:48 PM

ok 5th metal band, first we are refering to the big four of thrash, which means the 5th band needs to be thrash, motorhead is not thrash, judas preist is not thrash, so who is thrash in the 80s that we can use. Here is a few suggestions, Seplutura, the canadain band Annihilator, course our german freinds Sodom, and Kreator. I saw someone throw up Exodus in another forum as a great thrash band. I've heard good things about terstament. My point is we are discussing who could be the 5th of the big four and since the big four are thrash the 5th should also be thrash, but here is a valid point, no one else in thrash sold as much as the big four did the 80s. so that's why there are four and not five

Unknown Soldier · 08-19-2010, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by sixshooter500

ok 5th metal band, first we are refering to the big four of thrash, which means the 5th band needs to be thrash, motorhead is not thrash, judas preist is not thrash, so who is thrash in the 80s that we can use. Here is a few suggestions, Seplutura, the canadain band Annihilator, course our german freinds Sodom, and Kreator. I saw someone throw up Exodus in another forum as a great thrash band. I've heard good things about terstament. My point is we are discussing who could be the 5th of the big four and since the big four are thrash the 5th should also be thrash, but here is a valid point, no one else in thrash sold as much as the big four did the 80s. so that's why there are four and not five

The four used above as the four essential metal bands are all household names, therefore a 5th essential band based on this logic should be from a popular mainstream act as well, for example Slayer, Pantera, Sepultura, Korn etc and even Van Halen for their huge influence.

If the 5th were to be from lesser known bands, like Kreator.....then the sky is the limit on who could be considered: Melvins, Fates Warning, Voivod, Neurosis, Death etc in fact the list is endless, and if you really want to resurrect an oldie then Pentagram are a good choice!

mr dave · 08-19-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

The four used above as the four essential metal bands are all household names, therefore a 5th essential band based on this logic should be from a popular mainstream act as well, for example Slayer, Pantera, Sepultura, Korn etc and even Van Halen for their huge influence.

in that case i'd give my vote to Megadeth.

sixshooter500 · 08-19-2010, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

The four used above as the four essential metal bands are all household names, therefore a 5th essential band based on this logic should be from a popular mainstream act as well, for example Slayer, Pantera, Sepultura, Korn etc and even Van Halen for their huge influence.

If the 5th were to be from lesser known bands, like Kreator.....then the sky is the limit on who could be considered: Melvins, Fates Warning, Voivod, Neurosis, Death etc in fact the list is endless, and if you really want to resurrect an oldie then Pentagram are a good choice!

what i was saying the four above are thrash than the 5th should also be thrash, that being said Sepultura is a thrash band, they would work fine. But Van Halen, not even the same ball park as Judas Preist much less Megadeath, Metallica, Slayer, or Anthrax.

Unknown Soldier · 08-19-2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sixshooter500

But Van Halen, not even the same ball park as Judas Preist much less Megadeath, Metallica, Slayer, or Anthrax.

Just for this reason Van Halen would work, as they are essential and very different to the above.

08-18-2010, 05:37 PM	#11 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	Motorhead are a Rock N Roll band Lemmy HATES Motorhead being called a Metal band. It's all definition though isn't it. AC/DC could be classed as Metal and thus; one of the best bands ever but they are souped up Rock N Roll and so are Motorhead (even if a metallic edge is heard in their music) Venom Mercyful Fate Void Slayer are a few bands that epitomise a particular Metal sound with very little deviation. I still think that you only need early Sabbath and you have the basis for the distorted riff that songs are built around. Everything else is a welcome bonus. __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

08-18-2010, 06:34 PM	#13 (permalink)
jackhammer Ba and Be. Join Date: May 2007 Location: This Is England Posts: 17,331	'Is' certainly doesn't apply anymore although the classic trio through Overkill, Bomber and Ace Of Spades were killer albums and certainly infused Thrash Metal for sure but for some reason I can't put them into essential Metal personally. 1979 Motorhead, AC/DC, Ramones would still be the ultimate gig for me though. Off topic whoops! __________________ It be my music and film collection. “A cynic by experience, a romantic by inclination and now a hero by necessity.”

08-18-2010, 06:35 PM	#14 (permalink)
Rage Against the Machine Jewish Cowboy Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Franklin, TN Posts: 632	Neurosis. they're kind of underappreciated but so much modern metal (particularly sludge/post metal) owes so much to them. Also, that list sucks. __________________

08-19-2010, 01:48 PM	#16 (permalink)
sixshooter500 Groupie Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Missouri Posts: 11	ok 5th metal band, first we are refering to the big four of thrash, which means the 5th band needs to be thrash, motorhead is not thrash, judas preist is not thrash, so who is thrash in the 80s that we can use. Here is a few suggestions, Seplutura, the canadain band Annihilator, course our german freinds Sodom, and Kreator. I saw someone throw up Exodus in another forum as a great thrash band. I've heard good things about terstament. My point is we are discussing who could be the 5th of the big four and since the big four are thrash the 5th should also be thrash, but here is a valid point, no one else in thrash sold as much as the big four did the 80s. so that's why there are four and not five