Using Samples in Rock Music

sidewinder · 10-08-2010, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Yeah, same here. I love it when I'm watching an old movie and suddenly recognize something that was a sample in some song I like.

Definitely, it's a great feeling.

On the flip side, one day during my teens I came home and my dad was watching a movie on TV, and I heard Skinny Puppy's "Who's Laughing Now" playing in a club scene.

Turns out the movie was Bad Influence, which I keep meaning to watch. The song itself uses about 4 samples from Evil Dead II.

mr dave · 10-08-2010, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder

Doh! How could I forget White Zombie, La Sexorcisto was probably THE first album I loved that heavily used vocal samples, and it's fantastic. That came out just before I discovered Ministry and Skinny Puppy. Too bad the following White Zombie was disappointing in comparison.

yeah they got in a ridiculous pile of trouble with all the samples they tried using on La Sexorcisto though. pretty sure that's one of the main reasons Astro Creep is much more subdued. though i can never get enough of that closing track (Blood, Milk, and Sky).

jackhammer · 10-08-2010, 03:37 PM

Not strictly rock but this is one of my faves which was a B side:

**Janszoon** · 10-08-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder

Definitely, it's a great feeling.

On the flip side, one day during my teens I came home and my dad was watching a movie on TV, and I heard Skinny Puppy's "Who's Laughing Now" playing in a club scene.

Turns out the movie was Bad Influence, which I keep meaning to watch. The song itself uses about 4 samples from Evil Dead II.

Skinny Puppy is great in the sample department, though I think my favorite band for it is My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult. They always seem to pull from such interesting sources.

**Janszoon** · 10-08-2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by mr dave

yeah they got in a ridiculous pile of trouble with all the samples they tried using on La Sexorcisto though. pretty sure that's one of the main reasons Astro Creep is much more subdued. though i can never get enough of that closing track (Blood, Milk, and Sky).

Yeah, when Astro Creep came out I remember reading an interview with Rob Zombie where he was talking about how they had to create all their own samples on that album after all the headaches from La Sexorcisto.

mr dave · 10-10-2010, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

Yeah, when Astro Creep came out I remember reading an interview with Rob Zombie where he was talking about how they had to create all their own samples on that album after all the headaches from La Sexorcisto.

i remember reading that too. apparently he does the Tuvan throat singing on Blood, Milk, and Sky as well. really not sure how he managed that one haha

VEGANGELICA · 10-10-2010, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder

I LOVE vocal samples in music. It's one of the things that attracted me to the industrial/industrial rock scene in the early 90s, as well as the electronic scene. I just love the ever living shit out of vocal samples. It's a bit less common in rock music but here are a few I can think of:

Dillinger Four (excellent example)
Mr. Bungle (first two albums at least)

That's interesting, because I absolutely DESPISE vocal samples in music. Using vocal samples feels like cheating. I don't want to hear some regurgitated stuff. It feels unoriginal to me.

I tried listening to Dillinger Four's "Gainsville" and "A Jingle for the Product," and a couple others, and I DO like the songs...just not the vocal samples. Vocal samples feel like plagiarizing to me. If a song were a paper, I'd say, "Don't just quote someone else. Put the idea in your own words."

However, I would say that Dillinger Four uses the vocal samples in a fairly subtle manner. Except, ee-gads, they seem to start practically EVERY SINGLE SONG with a vocal sample!

sidewinder · 10-10-2010, 08:10 PM

I really don't see how it sounds like cheating, when no attempt is made for the samples to sound like the band's own vocals. For me, in the case of Dillinger Four, it adds humor and energy and helps to separate them from other punk bands, IMO. In the case of stuff like industrial and instrumental hip-hop, it adds to the mood/atmosphere and gives it a cinematic feel. To each his own though, you don't have to like them, I just don't get how anyone could see that as cheating. That's a stronger argument when talking about beat sampling. And even then, I consider using material from other sources a perfectly acceptable practice when creating something completely new from it.

All in all, I think I appreciate cut & paste techniques in music and art, and you may not.

**Janszoon** · 10-10-2010, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sidewinder

I really don't see how it sounds like cheating, when no attempt is made for the samples to sound like the band's own vocals. For me, in the case of Dillinger Four, it adds humor and energy and helps to separate them from other punk bands, IMO. In the case of stuff like industrial and instrumental hip-hop, it adds to the mood/atmosphere and gives it a cinematic feel. To each his own though, you don't have to like them, I just don't get how anyone could see that as cheating. That's a stronger argument when talking about beat sampling. And even then, I consider using material from other sources a perfectly acceptable practice when creating something completely new from it.

All in all, I think I appreciate cut & paste techniques in music and art, and you may not.

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Queen Boo · 10-10-2010, 09:13 PM

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I know why they're talking about Brooklyn but I've always thought the beginning of that song sounded really weird and forced. I like it but it doesn't fit together so it makes me scratch my head a lil' bit.

I can't stand the intro to Tut Tut Shake Your Butt though.....fucking Abraham Lincoln....

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