Dream Theater--Greatest Metal Band of this Era (lyrics, pink floyd, metallica)

ladyluckrules · 04-10-2006, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by boo boo

Dammit.

Criteria:-
These vocalists are rated by their importance to the realm of rock music and their vocal skill in their primes.

1. Freddie Mercury
2. Jackie Wilson
3. Clyde McPhatter
4. Sam Cooke
5. Roy Orbison
6. Robert Plant
7. Marvin Gaye
8. Jeff Buckley
9. Tim Buckley
10. Chris Cornell
11. Al Green
12. Roy Hamilton
13. Elvis Presley
14. Solomon Burke
15. Little Willie John
16. Rob Halford
17. Curtis Mayfield
18. Bruce Dickinson
19. Geoff Tate
20. Ian Gillan
21. Luther Vandross
22. Steve Perry
23. Mike Patton
24. Ronnie James Dio
25. Stevie Wonder
26. Levi Stubbs
27. Wilson Pickett
28. Joe Coer
29. Little Richard
30. Eddie Kendricks
31. Roy Khan
32. Willie Winfield
33. Roger Daltrey
34. Nate Nelson
35. Frankie Lymon
36. Ray Charles
37. Ben E. King
38. Brad Delp
39. Michael Jackson
40. Van Morrison
41. Paul McCartney
42. James Brown
43. Ronald Isley
44. Philip Bailey
45. Michael Matijevic
46. Johnny Moore
47. Screamin’ Jay Hawkins
48. Russell Allen
49. Brian Wilson
50. Elton John
51. Sebastian Bach
52. Pete Cetera
53. Richard Manuel
54. Maynard James Keenan
55. Klaus Meine
56. Rod Stewart
57. Jim Morrison
58. Paul Rodgers
59. Layne Staley
60. Dan McCafferty
61. David Bowie
62. Howard Tate
63. Jerry Lee Lewis
64. Axl Rose
65. Bootsy Collins
66. John Farnham
67. Myles Kennedy
68. Maurice White
69. Glenn Danzig
70. Eric Burdon
71. Barry White
72. Jon Anderson
73. Burton Cummings
74. Jack Bruce
75. Prince
76. Rick Danko
77. Philip Anselmo
78. Gregg Rollie
79. Cedric Bixler
80. Lionel Ritchie
81. Art Garfunkel
82. R. Kelly
83. Steven Tyler
84. Greg Lake
85. Joe Lee Turner
86. Otis Redding
87. Dennis DeYoung
88. David Coverdale
89. Sammy Hagar
90. Tony Kakko
91. David Draiman
92. Scott Weiland
93. David Byron
94. Jimi Jamison
95. John Fogerty
96. Carl Wilson
97. Eddie Vedder
98. Steve Winwood
99. Justin Hayward
100. Mark Lanegan

And the people who edit the list know more than a thing or two about vocals.

Is that an all-male list just out of interest boo boo?

boo boo · 04-10-2006, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ladyluckrules

Is that an all-male list just out of interest boo boo?

Yeah it is.

Theres a all-female list too.

Hendrix · 04-10-2006, 03:42 PM

As a member of DDD and frequenter to the vocal list (and the guy who taught all these guys about the technicalities of voice), as Boo Boo knows...I don't like the list actually as is. The guy who originally made it basically knows nothing about vocals.

Importance and influence are highly subjective and shouldn't be weighed very heavily into this. Influence is only influence if the artist has said it personally, or has covered numerous songs of theirs, or sounds almost exactly like another artist (like how Kenny Wayne Shepherd's blues guitar sounds exactly like SRV's..maybe it has something to do with being from Texas though). Importance is highly subjective in that what I think is important, someone else may not think the same.

I may think Jussi Bjoerling was an important opera singer, while my voice teacher may not think so. If I didn't enjoy 50's R&B, I wouldn't think guys like Roy Hamilton would be important, unless I wasn't biased, but most people when it comes to music ARE biased (which is a big shame).

But when we're talking about vocalists, there isn't much room for this stuff. There's only so much you can do with your voice. You can take devices and sing into them and augment your voice, sure, but you can't actually do a lot to your voice. With guitar, you can alternate pick, sweep pick, right hand tap, play chords, etc. With the voice, you can sing one note at a time (although few people in the world can sing 2 distinct notes at once which aren't overtones), slide up to another note, use vibratto, use your throat to get gruffness (or, if you're good you can get gruffness from your diahragm), etc.

Should importance and influence be factored in? Of course, it's a "greatest of" list, but with vocals you also have to look at technicalities and there aren't THAT MANY vocal styles out there. Most styles come with diction, phrasing, and dynamics.

boo boo · 04-11-2006, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Hendrix

As a member of DDD and frequenter to the vocal list (and the guy who taught all these guys about the technicalities of voice), as Boo Boo knows...I don't like the list actually as is. The guy who originally made it basically knows nothing about vocals.

I hope you're not bad mouthing Limo Driver, i think he did a decent job.

The original version was pretty mediocre though, i agree with that, though most DDD lists have been very lackluster in the first draft.

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Importance and influence are highly subjective and shouldn't be weighed very heavily into this. Influence is only influence if the artist has said it personally, or has covered numerous songs of theirs, or sounds almost exactly like another artist (like how Kenny Wayne Shepherd's blues guitar sounds exactly like SRV's..maybe it has something to do with being from Texas though). Importance is highly subjective in that what I think is important, someone else may not think the same.

Actualy, Kenny Waynes style reminds me more of Slash than it does SRV, but thats just me.

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I may think Jussi Bjoerling was an important opera singer, while my voice teacher may not think so. If I didn't enjoy 50's R&B, I wouldn't think guys like Roy Hamilton would be important, unless I wasn't biased, but most people when it comes to music ARE biased (which is a big shame).

Tis true.

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But when we're talking about vocalists, there isn't much room for this stuff. There's only so much you can do with your voice. You can take devices and sing into them and augment your voice, sure, but you can't actually do a lot to your voice. With guitar, you can alternate pick, sweep pick, right hand tap, play chords, etc. With the voice, you can sing one note at a time (although few people in the world can sing 2 distinct notes at once which aren't overtones), slide up to another note, use vibratto, use your throat to get gruffness (or, if you're good you can get gruffness from your diahragm), etc.

I understand where you're going, though i never really listen to vocals for the technical aspect of it, for example, Mariah Carey may sing circles around Bjork, i still prefer Bjorks style millions of times more, her voice just connects with me more.

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Should importance and influence be factored in? Of course, it's a "greatest of" list, but with vocals you also have to look at technicalities and there aren't THAT MANY vocal styles out there. Most styles come with diction, phrasing, and dynamics.

And thats what i have been trying to explain to Don this whole time, LaBrie isnt on that list for a reason, its not because hes being overlooked, hes just not that great compared to so many other vocalists out there, male or female.

04-10-2006, 03:42 PM	#3 (permalink)
Hendrix Groupie Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 19	As a member of DDD and frequenter to the vocal list (and the guy who taught all these guys about the technicalities of voice), as Boo Boo knows...I don't like the list actually as is. The guy who originally made it basically knows nothing about vocals. Importance and influence are highly subjective and shouldn't be weighed very heavily into this. Influence is only influence if the artist has said it personally, or has covered numerous songs of theirs, or sounds almost exactly like another artist (like how Kenny Wayne Shepherd's blues guitar sounds exactly like SRV's..maybe it has something to do with being from Texas though). Importance is highly subjective in that what I think is important, someone else may not think the same. I may think Jussi Bjoerling was an important opera singer, while my voice teacher may not think so. If I didn't enjoy 50's R&B, I wouldn't think guys like Roy Hamilton would be important, unless I wasn't biased, but most people when it comes to music ARE biased (which is a big shame). But when we're talking about vocalists, there isn't much room for this stuff. There's only so much you can do with your voice. You can take devices and sing into them and augment your voice, sure, but you can't actually do a lot to your voice. With guitar, you can alternate pick, sweep pick, right hand tap, play chords, etc. With the voice, you can sing one note at a time (although few people in the world can sing 2 distinct notes at once which aren't overtones), slide up to another note, use vibratto, use your throat to get gruffness (or, if you're good you can get gruffness from your diahragm), etc. Should importance and influence be factored in? Of course, it's a "greatest of" list, but with vocals you also have to look at technicalities and there aren't THAT MANY vocal styles out there. Most styles come with diction, phrasing, and dynamics.