Thrash Metal Revival

Metal Connoisseur · 04-26-2011, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzov*en

So how are they not really indicative of thrash especially when you yourself said their early stuff is?

You basically contradticted yourself with that statement.

Chaos A.D is a THRASH/Groove album.

They are one of the best metal bands that has ever existed and put out two of the best thrash metal albums that have ever been recorded.

By indicative I meant that when I think of Sepultura, I definitely don't think of them in the same way as I do early Metallica or Voivod. Sepultura's sound to me is a hodge-podge of heavy groove, world music, and death metal elements.

Buzzov*en · 04-26-2011, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metal Connoisseur

By indicative I meant that when I think of Sepultura, I definitely don't think of them in the same way as I do early Metallica or Voivod. Sepultura's sound to me is a hodge-podge of heavy groove, world music, and death metal elements.

They were a thrash metal band hate to break it to you. Obviously you do not live up to your name with remarks like the ones you made.

FRED HALE SR. · 04-26-2011, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buzzov*en

They were a thrash metal band hate to break it to you. Obviously you do not live up to your name with remarks like the ones you made.

Slayer boring? You actually said that?

jackhammer · 04-26-2011, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metal Connoisseur

By indicative I meant that when I think of Sepultura, I definitely don't think of them in the same way as I do early Metallica or Voivod. Sepultura's sound to me is a hodge-podge of heavy groove, world music, and death metal elements.

Voivod are probably the one of the only bands that I WOULDN'T put into the Thrash genre. Sure they got noticed around the heyday of the best Thrash but their first two albums were ragged, unapologetic and almost Punk/Hardcore in their attitude (still great) and then they they just stuck a big finger up to everyone and started playing what they wanted and being magnificent at it too.

Sure they used angular, crunchy riffs but I can think of very few bands that sound like Voivod and in fact a lot of Thrash purists at the time just couldn't get into them at the time.

Good call on Anacrusis too whoever mentioned them. A decent band ahead of their time.

Buzzov*en · 04-26-2011, 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

Slayer boring? You actually said that?

Yup I did becuse after a while they do get boring as hell because half their **** sounds the same.
I still love em, but there is no denying they are boring as **** after a while.

Metal Connoisseur · 04-26-2011, 05:49 PM

I never said Sepultura wasn't a thrash band, I merely said that in my opinion they weren't INDICATIVE of the thrash genre. There's no denying Morbid Visions through Arise are thrash records. However, when I am envisioning Sepultura's sound in my mind, the groove elements stick out to me more than the thrash aspect of their sound. That's all i'm saying.

LOLPOCALYPSE · 04-26-2011, 06:22 PM

Here is something to ponder: if Sepultura sprung up with all the currently existing classifications, would it have still been considered thrash? Or would the elements mentioned by Metal Connoisseur have stuck out enough to give them a different tag?

hip hop bunny hop · 04-26-2011, 10:45 PM

It's not unusual to see Sepultura's early work classified as Death Metal, and I for one favor that argument. Morbid Visions, Schizophrenia sound like early extreme metal to these ears. However, I am dismissive of their work from Chaos AD on - that stuff is just boring.

Anyways, regarding Thrash revival, how about Vomitor? They've some definite black metal influence, but I think they're still solidly Thrash. Not intellectual by any means, but fun.

Buzzov*en · 04-26-2011, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metal Connoisseur

I never said Sepultura wasn't a thrash band, I merely said that in my opinion they weren't INDICATIVE of the thrash genre. There's no denying Morbid Visions through Arise are thrash records. However, when I am envisioning Sepultura's sound in my mind, the groove elements stick out to me more than the thrash aspect of their sound. That's all i'm saying.

I get what you are saying and it is still clear you are wong.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOLPOCALYPSE

Here is something to ponder: if Sepultura sprung up with all the currently existing classifications, would it have still been considered thrash? Or would the elements mentioned by Metal Connoisseur have stuck out enough to give them a different tag?

Thrash/Death/Groove.

Unknown Soldier · 04-27-2011, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jackhammer

Voivod are probably the one of the only bands that I WOULDN'T put into the Thrash genre. Sure they got noticed around the heyday of the best Thrash but their first two albums were ragged, unapologetic and almost Punk/Hardcore in their attitude (still great) and then they they just stuck a big finger up to everyone and started playing what they wanted and being magnificent at it too.

Sure they used angular, crunchy riffs but I can think of very few bands that sound like Voivod and in fact a lot of Thrash purists at the time just couldn't get into them at the time.

Good call on Anacrusis too whoever mentioned them. A decent band ahead of their time.

I mentioned them, the albums "Manic Impressions" and "Screams and Whispers" are albums where few thrash bands would have gone or were even capable of going to.

They along with Voivod represent the other side of the thrash coin.

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOLPOCALYPSE

Here is something to ponder: if Sepultura sprung up with all the currently existing classifications, would it have still been considered thrash? Or would the elements mentioned by Metal Connoisseur have stuck out enough to give them a different tag?

They were essentially a thrash metal band that were a huge influence on death metal, especially the vocal style of Max Cavalera. They evolved into a groove metal sound by Chaos AD. So thrash and groove are the two correct definitions for this group imo.

This evolution was very natural, especially given the fact that they came from a cultural background very distinct to that of American, British and other European metal bands. The ethnic feel to their music was always hidden somewhere in their sound and by Roots it had fully evolved.

04-26-2011, 05:49 PM	#36 (permalink)
Metal Connoisseur Franchise Player Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 539	I never said Sepultura wasn't a thrash band, I merely said that in my opinion they weren't INDICATIVE of the thrash genre. There's no denying Morbid Visions through Arise are thrash records. However, when I am envisioning Sepultura's sound in my mind, the groove elements stick out to me more than the thrash aspect of their sound. That's all i'm saying.

04-26-2011, 06:22 PM	#37 (permalink)
LOLPOCALYPSE Aryan Wonder Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Indiana Posts: 445	Here is something to ponder: if Sepultura sprung up with all the currently existing classifications, would it have still been considered thrash? Or would the elements mentioned by Metal Connoisseur have stuck out enough to give them a different tag?

04-26-2011, 10:45 PM	#38 (permalink)
hip hop bunny hop Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,381	It's not unusual to see Sepultura's early work classified as Death Metal, and I for one favor that argument. Morbid Visions, Schizophrenia sound like early extreme metal to these ears. However, I am dismissive of their work from Chaos AD on - that stuff is just boring. Anyways, regarding Thrash revival, how about Vomitor? They've some definite black metal influence, but I think they're still solidly Thrash. Not intellectual by any means, but fun.