Extremism Before 1992, Community Participation Requested
 

Mondo Bungle said this in thread on "Death", and I agree - however, I think limiting it to death metal is a bit strange, as the various subgenres had yet to branch out enough to where there were obvious & distinct differences.

Now, we can argue about whether these earlier bands and albums are still relevant or as good as current releases, but the fact is these groups tend to be forgotten. As metal websites tend to focus on reviewing new releases, and as most metal fans aren't as fortunate as Jackhammer to have been there when it happened, we tend to be myopic and focus on the recent past and the new. So, I think the community coming together and discussing these earlier groups would be helpful, and just a little bit of fun.

So, what I'd like to do is ask that people post their top 10 favorite "extreme" releases from up until 1992 (so, releases from 1992 are ok, but none later). They can be from any of the "extreme" genres, whether crossover, death metal, thrash, black metal, harcore, grindcore, whatever - if you think it qualifies as extreme, it can be put in your list.

The concept is simple; a week from today (July 22nd), I'll tally up the lists. Lists are going to be weighted in a simplistic manner, a #1 is worth "10 points", a #"10" worth 1 point, and so on. The ten albums that get the most points will be put together in a sort of super list, to serve future newbs and genre explorers on this site.

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So, the last chance to participate has already come and gone. But, if you're curious about the results, I've put them in this post for ease of browsing. The rest of the thread is neat, too, what with people carrying on the great metal tradition of **** talking others lists.

Results

1. Slayer (Reign in Blood, then Hell Awaits)
2. Celtic Frost (To Megatherion, then Into the Pandemonium, & lastly Morbid Tales)
3. Sepultura (Arise, then Beneath the Remains)
4. Bathory (Blood Fire Death, then S/T, & lastly Under the Sign of the Black Mark)
5. Morbid Angel (Covenant, which is '93, but then Altars of Madness)
6. Carcass (Symphonies of Sickness)
7. Godflesh (Streetcleaner)
8. Mercyful Fate (Melissa)
9. Napalm Death (Scum)
TIE FOR 10:
Discharge - Hear Nothing....
Repulsion - Horrified
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I did compile this after getting back from the bar, but I'm confident in my math. Here's the lists everyone submitted:

1. Master of Puppets- Metallica
2. To Mega Therion- Celtic Frost
3. Reign in Blood- Slayer
4. Covenant- Morbid Angel (93' I know, I feel its their best album. Whether or not you count it is up to you)
5. Arise - Sepultura
6. Cowboys From Hell- Pantera
7. The Age of Quarrel- Cro-Mags
8. Obedience Thru Suffering- Crowbar
9. Unquestionable Presence- Atheist
10. Transylvanian Hunger- Darkthrone

1. Repulsion - Horrified
2. Discharge - Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing
3. Mercyful Fate - Melissa
4. Slayer - Reign in Blood
5. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
6. Deicide - Legion
7. Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion
8. Cryptic Slaughter - Convicted
9. Master - Master
10. Sarco***o - INRI

Morbid Angel - Covenant
Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark
Sepultura - Beneath the Remain
Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky
Autopsy - Mental Funeral
Cryptopsy - Blasphemy Made Flesh
Immolation - Dawn of Possession
Massacra - Enjoy the Violence
Possessed - Seven Churches
Therion - Beyond Sanctorum

Death- Leprosy (4)
Morbid Angel- Covenant (3)
Celtic Frost- Morbid Tales (6)
Bathory- Blood Fire Death (8)
Sepultura- Arise (1)
Slayer- Reign in Blood (2)
Atheist- Unquestionable Presence (7)
Kreator- Coma of Souls (5)
Possessed- Seven Churches (10)
Obituary- Slowly We Rot (9)

1. Slayer - Reign In Blood
2. Slayer - Hell Awaits
3. Carcass - Necrotism: Descanting the Insalubrious
4. Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
5. Celtic Frost - Into the Pandemonium
6. Bathory - Bathory
7. Obituary - Cause of Death
8. Sepultura - Arise
9. Venom - Black Metal
10. Napalm Death - Utopia Banished

1. Autopsy - Mental Funeral (1991)
2. Convulse - World Without God (1991)
3. Carnage - Dark Recollections (1990)
4. Pestilence - Consuming Impulse (1989)
5. Aspyhx - The Rack (1991)
6. Massacra - Enjoy the Violence (1991)
7. Gorguts - Considered Dead (1991)
8. Malevolent Creation - The Ten Commandments (1991)
9. Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness (1989)
10. Deicide - Deicide (1990)

1. Slayer - Hell Awaits
2. Celtic frost - To Mega Therion
3. Sepultura - Beneath the Remains
4. Mercyful Fate - Melissa
5. Void - S/T
6. Autopsy - Severed Survival
7. Entombed - Wolverine Blues
8. Stormtroopers of Death - Speak English or Die
9. Kreator - Terrible Certainty
10. Suicidal Tendencies - S/T

1. PRO-PAIN - The Foul Taste Of Freedom
2. Ministry - The Mind Is A errible Thing To Taste'
3. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
4. Amebix - Arise!
5. Bathory - Blood Fire Death
6. Winter - Into Darkness
7. M.O.D. - USA For M.O.D.
8. Venom - Welcome To Hell
9. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
10. Infest - Slave

1. Napalm Death - S.C.U.M.
2. Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness
3. Slayer - Reign in Blood
4. Sepultura - Arise
5. OLD - OLD
6. Terrorizer - World Downfall
7. Voivod - Dimension Hattross
8. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
9. Obituary - The End Complete
10. Intense Degree - Intense Degree

1. Celtic Frost - Into The Pandemonium
2. Infest - Slave
3. D.R.I - Crossover
4. Voivod - Killing Technology
5. Death - Scream Bloody Gore
6. Discharge - Hear Nothing...
7. Napalm Death - Scum
8. Repulsion - Horrified
9. Venom - Black Metal
10. Killing Joke - S.T debut.

This is a great idea! These community participation things are what forums should be about in my opinion. Here's mine:

1. Master of Puppets- Metallica
2. To Mega Therion- Celtic Frost
3. Reign in Blood- Slayer
4. Covenant- Morbid Angel
5. Arise- Sepultura
6. Cowboys From Hell- Pantera
7. The Age of Quarrel- Cro-Mags
8. Obedience Thru Suffering- Crowbar
9. Unquestionable Presence- Atheist
10. A Blaze in the Northern Sky- Darkthrone

1. Repulsion - Horrified
2. Discharge - Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing
3. Mercyful Fate - Melissa
4. Slayer - Reign in Blood
5. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
6. Deicide - Legion
7. Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion
8. Cryptic Slaughter - Convicted
9. Master - Master
10. Sarco***o - INRI

Repulsion...#1...I'm shocked, hahaha. I'm not that great with dates, but here goes.

Morbid Angel - Covenant
Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark
Sepultura - Beneath the Remain
Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky
Autopsy - Mental Funeral
Cryptopsy - Blasphemy Made Flesh
Immolation - Dawn of Possession
Massacra - Enjoy the Violence
Possessed - Seven Churches
Therion - Beyond Sanctorum

Great idea for a thread, maybe as an idea it could be just one artist as well, to stop people choosing 2 or 3 albums by the same band.

Death- Leprosy (4)
Morbid Angel- Covenant (3)
Celtic Frost- Morbid Tales (6)
Bathory- Blood Fire Death (8)
Sepultura- Arise (1)
Slayer- Reign in Blood (2)
Atheist- Unquestionable Presence (7)
Kreator- Coma of Souls (5)
Possessed- Seven Churches (10)
Obituary- Slowly We Rot (9)

I know, right?

Yeah, I've been tabulating to take account of that thus far. Worse case scenario, I can present the results both ways - per album and per artist. (EDIT) I guess I just prefer the album method so as to make discovering this music easier for future members & explorers.

ARG! I keep changing my mind and editing my answers.

1. Slayer - Reign In Blood
2. Slayer - Hell Awaits
3. Carcass - Necrotism: Descanting the Insalubrious
4. Celtic Frost - Into the Pandemonium
5. Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
6. Bathory - Bathory
7. Obituary - Cause of Death
8. Sepultura - Arise
9. Venom - Black Metal
10. Napalm Death - Utopia Banished

The problem I have here is actually ordering them into a top ten in order for points to be awarded.

So I will post albums and then add the running order in the next couple of days if that's OK?

I have not really gone for many typical faves as it is pretty obvious what many of those albums did for the genre but there was a huge amount of albums that straddled a few extreme genres and managed to appease fans from conflicting genres.

Infest - Slave
Crucifix - Dehumanization
Napalm Death - Scum
Death - Scream Bloody Gore
Void - Potion For Bad Dreams
Bathory - Under The Sign Of The Black Mark
Ministry - The Land Of Rape And Honey
Autopsy - Severed Survival
Blind Illusion - The Sane Asylum
Celtic Frost - Into The Pandemonium
Mordred - Fool's Game
Killing Joke - Debut
Ludichrist - Immaculate Deception
Agnostic Front - Cause For Alarm
Obituary - Slowly We Rot
Discharge - Hear Nothing...
Septic Death - Now That I Have Your Attention
Crumbsuckers - Life Of Dreams
Corrosion Of Conformity - Tecnocracy
Agnostic Front - Cause For Alarm
Venom - Black Metal
St. Vitus Dance- S.T
Kreator - Pleasure To Kill
Morbid Saint - Spectrum Of Death
Sabbat - Dreamweaver
S.O.D - Speak English Or Die
D.R.I - 4 of a Kind
Death Angel - The Ultra Violence
Nuclear Assault - Game Over
Prong - Beg To Differ
Carcass - Symphonies Of Sickness
Repulsion - Horrified

some of my favorites, can`t do 1 defenitive 10....

Possessed - Seven Churches (1985) (2)
Kreator - Pleasure to Kill (1986) (9)
Sodom - Persecution Mania (1987) (10)
Morbid Saint - Spectrum of Death (1988) (8)
Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness (1989) (1)
Terrorizer - World Downfall (1989) (7)
Entombed - Left Hand Path (1990) (5)
Obituary - Cause of Death (1990) (6)
Carcass - Necroticism: Descanting the Insalubrious (1991) (3)
Dismember - Like an Ever Flowing Stream (1991) (4)

Is it just each persons top ten in any order, or are we meant to put them in order from 1 to 10?

1. Slayer: Hell Awaits
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2. Celtic Frost: To Mega Therion
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3. Sepultura: Beneath The Remains
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4. Mercyful Fate: Melissa
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5. VOID: S/T (split LP w/ Faith)
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6. Sepultura: Beneath the Remains
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7. Entombed: Wolverine Blues (oops - released in 1993)
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8. Stormtroopers of Death: Speak English or Die
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9. Kreator: Terrible Certainty
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10. Suicidal Tendencies: S/T
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Edit: Ha, yeah I guess I do like Beneath the Remains that much. 3rd and 6th place.

up to and including 1992.....

1. PRO-PAIN - The Foul Taste Of Freedom
2. Ministry - The Mind Is A errible Thing To Taste'
3. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
4. Amebix - Arise!
5. Bathory - Blood Fire Death
6. Winter - Into Darkness
7. M.O.D. - USA For M.O.D.
8. Venom - Welcome To Hell
9. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
10. Infest - Slave

up till 1992:-

1. Napalm Death - S.C.U.M.
2. Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness
3. Slayer - Reign in Blood
4. Sepultura - Arise
5. OLD - OLD
6. Terrorizer - World Downfall
7. Voivod - Dimension Hattross
8. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
9. Obituary - The End Complete
10. Intense Degree - Intense Degree

In order, or you can put tags next to them to indicate the order. The idea is the lists are weighted.

ok will edit my previous post.

Since I did it wrong -- and hip hop bunny seems really concerned with rules .. I'll put this as my number 6:

6. Autopsy: Severed Survival

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As for Wolverine Blues .. just discard it if you want. I'm not removing it. I'm sure Entombed were working on it pre-1993 and I like it too much to reject.

first 2 albums were better than "Wolverine Blues" anyways.

For Autopsy I would also go with "Mental Funeral".

I don't think anybody asked you about your opinion of my choices.
I posted my favorite albums by Entombed and Autopsy. I'd apologize that you don't agree if I cared but I don't. So I won't.
:p:

no, it means just that. If I were asked I would go with "Mental Funeral" over "Severed Survival".

I would never consider "Wolverine Blues" all that much of an extreme release, first 2 I would, especially "Left Hand Path", which is their masterpeice still. I stand by that one.

Bastard, I think the question is which albums are our favorites.
My favorites aren't necessarily the most ExtremE.

need another 10 as well.

1. Autopsy - Mental Funeral (1991)
2. Convulse - World Without God (1991)
3. Carnage - Dark Recollections (1990)
4. Pestilence - Consuming Impulse (1989)
5. Aspyhx - The Rack (1991)
6. Massacra - Enjoy the Violence (1991)
7. Gorguts - Considered Dead (1991)
8. Malevolent Creation - The Ten Commandments (1991)
9. Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness (1989)
10. Deicide - Deicide (1990)

but isn't the title "extremism" which implies Extreme Metal.

Here's the title of this thread:

Extremism Before 1992, Community Participation Requested

I did read it before I replied.

Bastard.

Well, you certainly did participate.

However are you sure you read it before you replied, you did post an from 1993 after all.

Haha! yes, I did mistakenly post 1 of my favorites that was released after 1992,

Bastard.

I am just bustin yer balls. Some good choices none the less. "Beneath the Remains" is great.

hmmm no ulver....

you better change that.

hmmm....i had know idea that ulver released their first album in '94....so i suppose they are out of it

I know how ya feel.., Would nominate Dissection, but they didnt come out til 93.

Heh, if anything I was too late with the cut off date... note all the early 90s stuff on here.

Besides, the last few years, I've been convinced the most interesting extreme releases were the inchoate ones when the genres were still forming and the metal bands were still taking cues from the best of hardcore & crossover.

1988 probably would have worked for me.

This closes tommorow. So, if anyone else wants to add a list, don't be tardy.

My list:

1. Celtic Frost - Into The Pandemonium
2. Infest - Slave
3. D.R.I - Crossover
4. Voivod - Killing Technology
5. Death - Scream Bloody Gore
6. Discharge - Hear Nothing...
7. Napalm Death - Scum
8. Repulsion - Horrified
9. Venom - Black Metal
10. Killing Joke - S.T debut.

Results

1. Slayer (Reign in Blood, then Hell Awaits)
2. Celtic Frost (To Megatherion, then Into the Pandemonium, & lastly Morbid Tales)
3. Sepultura (Arise, then Beneath the Remains)
4. Bathory (Blood Fire Death, then S/T, & lastly Under the Sign of the Black Mark)
5. Morbid Angel (Covenant, which is '93, but then Altars of Madness)
6. Carcass (Symphonies of Sickness)
7. Godflesh (Streetcleaner)
8. Mercyful Fate (Melissa)
9. Napalm Death (Scum)
TIE FOR 10:
Discharge - Hear Nothing....
Repulsion - Horrified
====================

I did compile this after getting back from the bar, but I'm confident in my math. Here's the lists everyone submitted:

1. Master of Puppets- Metallica
2. To Mega Therion- Celtic Frost
3. Reign in Blood- Slayer
4. Covenant- Morbid Angel (93' I know, I feel its their best album. Whether or not you count it is up to you)
5. Arise - Sepultura
6. Cowboys From Hell- Pantera
7. The Age of Quarrel- Cro-Mags
8. Obedience Thru Suffering- Crowbar
9. Unquestionable Presence- Atheist
10. Transylvanian Hunger- Darkthrone

1. Repulsion - Horrified
2. Discharge - Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing
3. Mercyful Fate - Melissa
4. Slayer - Reign in Blood
5. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
6. Deicide - Legion
7. Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion
8. Cryptic Slaughter - Convicted
9. Master - Master
10. Sarco***o - INRI

Morbid Angel - Covenant
Bathory - Under the Sign of the Black Mark
Sepultura - Beneath the Remain
Darkthrone - A Blaze in the Northern Sky
Autopsy - Mental Funeral
Cryptopsy - Blasphemy Made Flesh
Immolation - Dawn of Possession
Massacra - Enjoy the Violence
Possessed - Seven Churches
Therion - Beyond Sanctorum

Death- Leprosy (4)
Morbid Angel- Covenant (3)
Celtic Frost- Morbid Tales (6)
Bathory- Blood Fire Death (8)
Sepultura- Arise (1)
Slayer- Reign in Blood (2)
Atheist- Unquestionable Presence (7)
Kreator- Coma of Souls (5)
Possessed- Seven Churches (10)
Obituary- Slowly We Rot (9)

1. Slayer - Reign In Blood
2. Slayer - Hell Awaits
3. Carcass - Necrotism: Descanting the Insalubrious
4. Morbid Angel - Altars of Madness
5. Celtic Frost - Into the Pandemonium
6. Bathory - Bathory
7. Obituary - Cause of Death
8. Sepultura - Arise
9. Venom - Black Metal
10. Napalm Death - Utopia Banished

1. Autopsy - Mental Funeral (1991)
2. Convulse - World Without God (1991)
3. Carnage - Dark Recollections (1990)
4. Pestilence - Consuming Impulse (1989)
5. Aspyhx - The Rack (1991)
6. Massacra - Enjoy the Violence (1991)
7. Gorguts - Considered Dead (1991)
8. Malevolent Creation - The Ten Commandments (1991)
9. Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness (1989)
10. Deicide - Deicide (1990)

1. Slayer - Hell Awaits
2. Celtic frost - To Mega Therion
3. Sepultura - Beneath the Remains
4. Mercyful Fate - Melissa
5. Void - S/T
6. Autopsy - Severed Survival
7. Entombed - Wolverine Blues
8. Stormtroopers of Death - Speak English or Die
9. Kreator - Terrible Certainty
10. Suicidal Tendencies - S/T

1. PRO-PAIN - The Foul Taste Of Freedom
2. Ministry - The Mind Is A errible Thing To Taste'
3. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
4. Amebix - Arise!
5. Bathory - Blood Fire Death
6. Winter - Into Darkness
7. M.O.D. - USA For M.O.D.
8. Venom - Welcome To Hell
9. Candlemass - Epicus Doomicus Metallicus
10. Infest - Slave

1. Napalm Death - S.C.U.M.
2. Carcass - Symphonies of Sickness
3. Slayer - Reign in Blood
4. Sepultura - Arise
5. OLD - OLD
6. Terrorizer - World Downfall
7. Voivod - Dimension Hattross
8. Godflesh - Streetcleaner
9. Obituary - The End Complete
10. Intense Degree - Intense Degree

1. Celtic Frost - Into The Pandemonium
2. Infest - Slave
3. D.R.I - Crossover
4. Voivod - Killing Technology
5. Death - Scream Bloody Gore
6. Discharge - Hear Nothing...
7. Napalm Death - Scum
8. Repulsion - Horrified
9. Venom - Black Metal
10. Killing Joke - S.T debut.

I wasn't expecting Celtic Frost to get the second spot. That's awesome!

A useful exercise and a really great list for somebody wanting to listen to rootsy extreme metal.

That made me happy too :)
Even though only 10 people participated, I take this as proof that we collectively have the best taste in the world.

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The ten that participated have a real passion for most metal genres, so yer its a good indication of good taste.:pimp:

If you`re a metal fan check out Metal Wars

i may be the elephant in the room, but i liked Cold Lake more than To Mega Therion

aaaarrrrgggghhhh!!!!! the blasphemy! the blasphemy!