Parkway Drive - Horizons
As I Lay Dying - Shadows are Security
Veil of Maya- ID

I'd say none of these qualify for "Best Metal Album of All Time" as a lot of people would dispute that these bands aren't even really metal. I say they are, just a lot of people wouldn't. Anyhow, Horizons is on the weaker end of the Parkway discog, I found Deep Blue (their newest) to be the best stuff they've ever done.

The AILD and Veil records are solid, but again...best metal albums of all time? no.

Shadows are Security and Horizons are among the best metalCORE albums ever made. I think Deep Blue is a better effort from Parkway, but Horizons is the album they took their sound that one step further, although all three of their albums have been solid.

very disappointed to be the first one mentioning this

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More of a Blues For the Red Sun person myself

Christian metalcore/deathcore. Can't say I enjoyed that at all

So Kyuss is better than Black Sabbath? ahahahaafwerg

I love Sabbath, but they are not the be all end all.

Yes, they are. Black Sabbath invented metal. Without Black Sabbath, there is no metal. None. None more metal.

see: Blue Cheer

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So then I guess that means I'm not entitled to my opinion, thanks for letting me know

Blue Cheer released their debut album 2 years before Sabbath released their debut album.

Many have debated this topic as to who the first heavy metal band were, or at least who were amongst the first to shape what Heavy Metal would become. Blue Cheer's cover of "Summertime Blues" from 1968 predated Sabbath, and often time is credited with being first. One may argue that Sabbath was around at that time, while they were still known as Earth.. but they had yet to record anything or be known to enough to make an impact.



Saying Sabbath invented metal is just a guess, but even before Sabbath there was Blue Cheer.

Could even go further back and say Iron Butterfly, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin or Cream...

Heavy Metal was not even coined as a term until 1971, and it was used to describe Humble Pie. Coined by Mike Saunders, who would front a punk band called Angry Samoans.

Sabbath may have given Metal an identity and made the fixed the blue print, but to say they invented it.. is debatable.

No, it really isn't. Compare Black Sabbath (the song) to that cover and you tell me which one sounds like metal.

studio version:



Sabbath gave Heavy Metal an image, but the sound was already established and being shaped before they came along.

listen to the one i just posted. Put up a live version, but studio version makes more sense.

anyways, I am more than familiar with the song Black Sabbath. Do not need to listen again.

Hell you already said it yourself. Black Sabbath made the identity, the blueprint. No metal band has ever modeled themselves after ****in Blue Cheer.

So because the Wright brothers made the first aircraft, no aircraft since has surpassed their original craft in quality? The argument that you're making is not logically sound

lol. try again champ.

anyways, don't encourage him anymore...

anybody who says things this like:


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is obviously not qualified to pass judgement on anything.

Justin Bieber - My World 2.0

I'm not disputing that Blue Cheer contributed to the budding heavy metal sound in the late sixties, but one could argue that Sabbath wrote original songs whereas "Summertime Blues" (Blue Cheer's defining song?) was just an old blues tune that they covered with a more metallic spin. I haven't heard any other song by Blue Cheer so idk if they're other tracks sound similar to that particular cover, just offering some food for thought.

But as you said earlier, Deep Purple, Zeppelin, Cream, and some might even say Hendrix all helped to shape a sound that Black Sabbath really refined as they came into their own. I'd say that you really couldn't pinpoint a single band who invented it, as it was really just a heavier form of the blues at the time.

Nobody is debating the fact that Black Sabbath are not the most influential metal act of all time, or the fact that they were probably the first and most important metal act as well through lyrics and image etc. But as stated the foundations had been laid by other bands, some of which have been mentioned who played the blues and psychedelic very loud. The metal label for Sabbath came a lot later, as most music in the 1970s just really came under the moniker of "heavy" with a whole load of bands straddling the line between hard rock and heavy metal. Things really got defined in the early 1980s with the NWOBHM and the emergence of thrash and hair metal etc.

The only reason people are debating the point about Black Sabbath with you, is that you`re putting across the argument that Sabbath are the be all and end all of metal, its rather like somebody coming into a rock thread and stating the Beatles are the be all and end all of rock.

Even Black Sabbath had blues influences which is why Judas Priest could be defined as the first true metal band as well. When it comes to heaviness, the Deep Purple album In Rock was probably the heaviest thing around for the era and that album was fucking heavy for 1970 and it was a number of years before anybody recorded anything as heavy.

Blue Cheer had originals, first album had 6 songs, 3 covers and 3 originals



being one of them.

Still has a sound that could be seen as proto-metal. Since yeah, Heavy Metal in it's primitive form was just a heavy form of blues rock.

I am not disputing that Sabbath were the first to combine all the elements found before them into a sound that would ultimatly become the basis for Heavy Metal a short while later.. they would inspire the look, feel and lyrical content, cause lyrically Sabbath wrote darker lyrics than any of the bands mentioned...

So really it not far off if you say that Sabbath were the first to combine all the elements that would become the common themes of Heavy Metal.... but the question is were they really the first to create the sound, or were they just the first to combine them all from blue prints made before them.

Sabbath did have the look, their lyrics talked about the occult, the downtuned guitars..

I guess you could say Blue Cheer, Jimi Hendrix, Cream, Iron Butterfly, Deep Purple... they wrote the recipe, and Sabbath came along and baked the cake.

I also do not think that without Sabbath metal would not exist, I think there would have been another band who would have taken their place. Metal may be slightly different, but it would still exist today without Sabbath...

... but that is all just anyones guess... because Sabbath did happen and here we are.

You live in Canada.....shouldn`t you be in bed at this time?

i slept all day, lol. I am going soon.

sorry mom.

Thats right bed!!!! And no listening to your Limp Bizkit albums!!!

fine....


.... bitch.

yeah, i am off. See how it goes. Probably be up in a few hours anyways. Have a long day of doing nothing tomorrow.

ahhhhhhhhhh! the vicissitudes of youth

There is alot more to heavy music than Black Sabbath.

Alaska is definitely the best metalcore album out their!!!

Idk best album i ever had hmmm i over played lamb of gods ashes of the awake not a big fan of heavy stuff but i thought every song on the album was gold..

Slipknot's All Hope Is Gone.
It has everything in it.
:drummer:

Your fucking jerking me off here!

Man, this is just so sad.

only got that recently and haven't heard it yet

i don't see how it could be better than Scum

Sorry, but can I exactly know why?

Just how many metal albums have you listened to, to reach that conclusion?

Different. More in debt to their groove metal sound they did for a bit.

Personally, I do not get why Scum is their pinnacle in the eyes of many. "From Enslavement to Obliteration" is much better.

I like Fear, Emptiness, Despair.

Scum is historically huge and although it doesn't hold up too well today it is a massively important album.

Unfortunately everything the band has done since has been overlooked a little which is understandable but also a damn shame as they have made some fantastic albums that sound like no one else out there.

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