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Howard the Duck 10-05-2011 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1109149)
Different. More in debt to their groove metal sound they did for a bit.

Personally, I do not get why Scum is their pinnacle in the eyes of many. "From Enslavement to Obliteration" is much better.

I like Fear, Emptiness, Despair.

FETO is pretty good

i thought the only one that came anywhere near their first two is Order of the Leech

BastardofYoung 10-05-2011 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1109197)
FETO is pretty good

i thought the only one that came anywhere near their first two is Order of the Leech

http://en.metalship.org/archives/albums/album124.jpg

Howard the Duck 10-05-2011 10:12 PM

^^got that but haven't heard it yet

OTPIdARP 10-06-2011 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1109143)
Just how many metal albums have you listened to, to reach that conclusion?

Oh come on, we were asked our opinion as its my favorite. I expressed mine. Is it wrong anyway?

Unknown Soldier 10-06-2011 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by OTPIdARP (Post 1109236)
Oh come on, we were asked our opinion as its my favorite. I expressed mine. Is it wrong anyway?

Its not wrong if you really think its the best. But I find it hard to believe that somebody could actually reach the conclusion, that a Slipknot album is the best metal album of all-time.

If you told me that you`d only ever heard about 10 metal albums in your life then I could understand it, but if you told me you know metal pretty well, then your opinion becomes even more startling.

OTPIdARP 10-06-2011 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1109239)
Its not wrong if you really think its the best. But I find it hard to believe that somebody could actually reach the conclusion, that a Slipknot album is the best metal album of all-time.

If you told me that you`d only ever heard about 10 metal albums in your life then I could understand it, but if you told me you know metal pretty well, then your opinion becomes even more startling.

Oh great, you got me right, I never said I've heard many albums.

Blarobbarg 10-06-2011 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OTPIdARP (Post 1109266)
Oh great, you got me right, I never said I've heard many albums.

Oooo. In THAT case, start listening to lots and lots of metal. If you think that a Slipknot album is the very best ever... your mind will be blown. :D

I HIGHLY suggest starting with...

Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath
Master Of Puppets by Metallica
Ace Of Spades by Motorhead
Leviathan by Mastodon
Powerslave by Iron Maiden
Screaming For Vengeance by Judas Priest
Rust In Peace by Megadeth
Beneath The Remains by Sepultura

...And more. Listen to any and all metal that the fine headbangers of this forum suggest. We will not lead you astray in the metal world, young one. :)

Welcome to the forums, by the way.

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra 10-06-2011 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Blarobbarg (Post 1109408)
Black Sabbath by Black Sabbath

I don't know, I'd much sooner suggest "Paranoid" or "Master of Reality". Apart from N.I.B., and Black Sabbath the first album was unrefined, and just a 70s rock album, really.

RVCA 10-06-2011 11:58 PM

Ace of Spades isn't really metal either, but still a jammin album

Unknown Soldier 10-07-2011 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra (Post 1109414)
I don't know, I'd much sooner suggest "Paranoid" or "Master of Reality". Apart from N.I.B., and Black Sabbath the first album was unrefined, and just a 70s rock album, really.

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Originally Posted by RVCA (Post 1109423)
Ace of Spades isn't really metal either, but still a jammin album

Both your points are valid, but BOTH albums should still be on an essential 1970s/1980s metal listen.

Blarobbarg 10-07-2011 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1109434)
Both your points are valid, but BOTH albums should still be on an essential 1970s/1980s metal listen.

This. I really don't consider Motorhead to be metal, but they are the inspiration of a ton of metalheads. Same with the first Sabbath album. It's way more like a twisted blues rock album, but since it's the first album from the first metal band EVER, it is required listening.

Howard the Duck 10-09-2011 06:46 AM

urgh, Motorhead!

i got a comp of their songs and all of them sound the same

Necromancer 10-09-2011 12:28 PM

Motorheads cover of Louie, Louie is OK.

I do like the way Lemmy sings/pronounces (Louie o Lou-ay).

BastardofYoung 10-09-2011 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1109798)
urgh, Motorhead!

i got a comp of their songs and all of them sound the same

could be worse, they could be Linkin Park.

BastardofYoung 10-09-2011 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Blarobbarg (Post 1109509)
This. I really don't consider Motorhead to be metal, but they are the inspiration of a ton of metalheads. Same with the first Sabbath album. It's way more like a twisted blues rock album, but since it's the first album from the first metal band EVER, it is required listening.

So what would you classify these as:




Blarobbarg 10-09-2011 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1109798)
urgh, Motorhead!

i got a comp of their songs and all of them sound the same

You're obviously missing the point of Motörhead. :P

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1109842)
So what would you classify these as:




Yeah yeah, but listen. Hey have metal stuff yes. But most of their songs are just rock n roll songs sped up with a crapload of distortion added. Plus, Lemmy's voice wouldn't really work with rock n roll. And he himself hates the term "metal." He just plays rock n roll.

...Regardless, yes, some of their songs are metal. Or at least metalish. But much of this not.

Janszoon 10-10-2011 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Blarobbarg (Post 1109910)
Yeah yeah, but listen. Hey have metal stuff yes. But most of their songs are just rock n roll songs sped up with a crapload of distortion added. Plus, Lemmy's voice wouldn't really work with rock n roll. And he himself hates the term "metal." He just plays rock n roll.

...Regardless, yes, some of their songs are metal. Or at least metalish. But much of this not.

I think an important thing to keep in mind in the "is Motorhead rock or metal" debate is that, when Motorhead started out, metal was simply a sub-genre of rock music. So they were both rock and metal in the same sense that Charlie Parker was both jazz and bebop. These days I would consider metal and rock to be two separate genres and I think that's what causes trouble when people try to retroactively label metal bands from the 70s and 80s.

As to Lemmy's claim that they don't play metal: musicians are forever labeling their music in ways that only really make sense to them. They're too close to it to really evaluate it in any way. The fact is, despite what Lemmy says, Motorhead don't sound very much Bill Haley or Chuck Berry. They have much more in common with the punk and metal of the 70s and 80s.

Howard the Duck 10-10-2011 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Blarobbarg (Post 1109910)
You're obviously missing the point of Motörhead. :P

the point being to recycle the same song over and over again

BastardofYoung 10-10-2011 10:46 AM

listen to more than 1 comp.

Janszoon 10-10-2011 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1109974)
the point being to recycle the same song over and over again

Motorhead certainly has a distinct stripped down style, but I'd hardly describe it as recycling the same song over and over again.




Tsunami 10-13-2011 09:10 AM

Black Sabbath - Black Sabbath. Plain and simple :D

Howard the Duck 10-13-2011 09:47 PM

^^Nah, Paranoid's better

Wyrd 10-13-2011 09:51 PM

Sorry. This beats all.


http://community2.metalreview.com/cf...-Reckoning.jpg

Buzzov*en 10-13-2011 10:11 PM

Nah it doesnt.

Black Sabbath Master of Reality.

Janszoon 10-13-2011 10:13 PM

How can anyone really pick a best metal album of all time anyway? Metal has so many different styles and so many different moods, it's really comparing apples and oranges to choose between some of them.

Wyrd 10-13-2011 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1111067)
How can anyone really pick a best metal album of all time anyway? Metal has so many different styles and so many different moods, it's really comparing apples and oranges to choose between some of them.

True enough. Maybe a "best album of each sub-genre" might work out better.

Buzzov*en 10-13-2011 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon (Post 1111067)
How can anyone really pick a best metal album of all time anyway? Metal has so many different styles and so many different moods, it's really comparing apples and oranges to choose between some of them.

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Originally Posted by Wyrd (Post 1111068)
True enough. Maybe a "best album of each sub-genre" might work out better.

Agree with both of you.

BastardofYoung 10-13-2011 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1111058)
^^Nah, Master of Reality's better

fixed it for ya.

Unknown Soldier 10-14-2011 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyrd (Post 1111068)
True enough. Maybe a "best album of each sub-genre" might work out better.

The idea was suggested to the OP by myself, in that it should be done by sub-genres.

Howard the Duck 10-14-2011 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BastardofYoung (Post 1111088)
fixed it for ya.

really?

i like Sabbath Bloody Sabbath more than Master of Reality

Tsunami 10-14-2011 05:21 AM

"The best" is actually quite misleading, because it obviously has to be the one with the biggest influence, in that case I would definitely go with Black Sabbath's first (Black Sabbath) because it's their first and I see it as their most influential one (even if it's usually overshadowed by Paranoid...) My favorite album by Black Sabbath would probably be Master of Reality, but "Your favorite metal album" would be a more suitable title (Unless the point of the thread is to find the actual most influential albums.)

Unknown Soldier 10-14-2011 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsunami (Post 1111122)
"The best" is actually quite misleading, because it obviously has to be the one with the biggest influence, in that case I would definitely go with Black Sabbath's first (Black Sabbath) because it's their first and I see it as their most influential one (even if it's usually overshadowed by Paranoid...) My favorite album by Black Sabbath would probably be Master of Reality, but "Your favorite metal album" would be a more suitable title (Unless the point of the thread is to find the actual most influential albums.)

If the thread were about the most influential metal album ever made only a few metal bands would be mentioned. Since nearly all roads lead from Black Sabbath and then add on Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Slayer and Celtic Frost and a few others, those bands are pretty much going to wrap up a most influential metal band/album thread.

Tsunami 10-14-2011 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1111130)
If the thread were about the most influential metal album ever made only a few metal bands would be mentioned. Since nearly all roads lead from Black Sabbath and then add on Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Slayer and Celtic Frost and a few others, those bands are pretty much going to wrap up a most influential metal band/album thread.

That was pretty much my point.
Anyway, to contribute the thread further, one of my long time favorites would be Intronaut - Prehistoricisms, a pretty important album for the evolution of my taste in metal and music overall.

Unknown Soldier 10-14-2011 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsunami (Post 1111134)
That was pretty much my point.
Anyway, to contribute the thread further, one of my long time favorites would be Intronaut - Prehistoricisms, a pretty important album for the evolution of my taste in metal and music overall.

Hey that bands on my listening list, so can`t comment on them at the moment but see that a large diversity of music is incorporated into their sound.

Tsunami 10-14-2011 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1111135)
Hey that bands on my listening list, so can`t comment on them at the moment but see that a large diversity of music is incorporated into their sound.

That's what I could say as well, back when I learned about Intronaut I was listening to a lot of stuff like Lamb of God, Pantera, Sepultura, etc. I don't really listen to a lot of same bands as I did before (since I started to want to explore metal more and more after listening to them) Sure I still listen to Sepultura (one of my favorite bands overall) but Lamb of God, Pantera etc. doesn't really wake up that much pleasure in me. (Even though I highly enjoy The Great Southern Trendkill by Pantera) Anyway, I highly recommend listening to Intronaut.

Unknown Soldier 10-14-2011 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tsunami (Post 1111137)
That's what I could say as well, back when I learned about Intronaut I was listening to a lot of stuff like Lamb of God, Pantera, Sepultura, etc. I don't really listen to a lot of same bands as I did before (since I started to want to explore metal more and more after listening to them) Sure I still listen to Sepultura (one of my favorite bands overall) but Lamb of God, Pantera etc. doesn't really wake up that much pleasure in me. (Even though I highly enjoy The Great Southern Trendkill by Pantera) Anyway, I highly recommend listening to Intronaut.

Sepultura, Pantera and Lamb of God are three of my all-time fav metal bands as well.:D I was listening to Pantera`s Far Beyond Driven last night again and still love that album as much as the first time I ever heard it.

As for modern metal acts being highly influential, only time will tell (say in another ten years time) on just how influential metal bands with their greater diversity from the 00`s actually are.

Howard the Duck 10-14-2011 06:20 AM

i find Intronaut rather boring, personally

too much polish

Tsunami 10-14-2011 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier (Post 1111139)
Sepultura, Pantera and Lamb of God are three of my all-time fav metal bands as well.:D I was listening to Pantera`s Far Beyond Driven last night again and still love that album as much as the first time I ever heard it.

As for modern metal acts being highly influential, only time will tell (say in another ten years time) on just how influential metal bands with their greater diversity from the 00`s actually are.

It's funny how people are saying that all modern metal is garbage.
Anyway, it's quite scary that in ten years I'll have even less time in my hands than now, yet I'll probably have even more of music to explore. :/

Wyrd 10-14-2011 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Il Duce (Post 1111140)
i find Intronaut rather boring, personally

too much polish

:rofl:


I've been listening to Metal for quite sometime now and it started with Pentagram, Iron Maiden, Saxon, and Black Sabbath. And of course, it only expanded from there. But I recommend the Pentagram Debut to anyone. It's a great proto-doom album. It took what Sabbath had started and took it to another level.

Tsunami 10-14-2011 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyrd (Post 1111162)
:rofl:


I've been listening to Metal for quite sometime now and it started with Pentagram, Iron Maiden, Saxon, and Black Sabbath. And of course, it only expanded from there. But I recommend the Pentagram Debut to anyone. It's a great proto-doom album. It took what Sabbath had started and took it to another level.

As much as I appreciate Pentagram, I think that Trouble is the band that started from where Sabbath with Ozzy left. :)


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