Why such controversy on Nu Metal?

Forward To Death · 01-12-2014, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by thebestofmusic

Big thumbs down for me on nu metal (aside from godsmack), this is absolutely one of the worst genres in recent music history, it has no good musicianship, no real talent, even the fred douchbag sucks badly, there is absolutely nothing good about this genre except for the toliet.

NU METAL SUCKS.

Lol Godsmack.

Puffnstuff · 01-12-2014, 09:09 AM

Well Godsmack isn't nu-metal they're alternative metal and I happen to like them. I'm not a big fan of nu-metal myself however there are a couple of exceptions. I can say the same thing about death metal.

Ambival · 01-12-2014, 11:32 AM

There is a very thin line between inspiration and plagiarism. Godsmack (especially Sully) has strong emotions for Alice in chains, thus some (intentional) similarities are present. Same thing is with probably the most "inspiring" (in the bad sense, see plagiarism) band in the world - KoRn. It's easy to say, that the act of ripping their style, sound, lyrics and even decisions quite frankly gave birth to Nu metal. It started with debuts of Coal Chamber, kittie, Nothingface and Sepultura's Roots. Downtuned guitars, easy, groovy, but nevertheless heavy riffs, Angst in lyrics, lack of solos (only recently solos became a small part of Nu metal bands. I'm not talking about the groups, which only flirted with Nu metal - Slayer, Sepultura etc.). All of these are present in the whole Nu metal scene.

Forward To Death · 01-12-2014, 12:15 PM

Godsmack stole riffs, their name, album names, album covers, song names, lyrics, style and their logo from Alice In Chains. Sepultura "stole" a guitar sound from Korn. What's funny is that Korn stole tons of riffs from Primus, which is definitely plagiarism. Oh, and you can guess which band was making music with downtuned instruments and heavy funk influence 4 years before Korn. Yup, that was Primus.

Ambival · 01-12-2014, 04:24 PM

the same can be said about Slayer copying early Metallica, Ozzy Osbourne copying John lennon's image (glasses) and style in some songs (No more tears), Future Doom metal bands copying the sound of "Black Sabbath" song etc. That's the way the whole art goes. Sepultura stole korn's sound, korn stole primus's sound, primus stole (or rather mixed) Pink Floyd and Rush's sound. If what you do is a DIRECT (not modificated in any significant way) copy of something else, then (and only then) it's plagiarism. While Avenged Sevenfold's song "This Means War" may be considered a rip off of Metallica's "Sad But True", notably different riffs, melody and lyrics may affect such view. I still consider it as a typical "inspired" song.

**Janszoon** · 01-12-2014, 04:31 PM

Why are people saying Sepultura stole Korn's sound? There may have been some reciporical influence later on, but Sepultura is the much older band and was clearly an influence on Korn's debut.

Edit: Also, Slayer copying early Metallica? Come on.

Unknown Soldier · 01-12-2014, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambival

Sepultura stole korn's sound

Stole is the wrong word, inspired and blended are a better description here. Let's face it Sepultura were putting out material, that Korn never had the ability to reach in a million years (apart from their debut album)

Ambival · 01-12-2014, 04:51 PM

Well, I may be mistaken about Slayer copying Metallica, but Kerry King's words "[Show No Mercy] is "****in' Iron Maiden here and there" give me the impression that still some some copying was present, but is that really a bad thing? Sepultura "stole" Korn's sound on Roots with Korn's permission (guest apperances of Jonathan Davis and David Silveria), so Korn might have been flattered because of that. I truly think that Godsmack was heavily inspired by Alice in chains and all those similiarities are simply a homage.

**Janszoon** · 01-12-2014, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambival

Well, I may be mistaken about Slayer copying Metallica, but Kerry King's words "[Show No Mercy] is "****in' Iron Maiden here and there" give me the impression that still some some copying was present, but is that really a bad thing?

Not at all. I'm just saying it wasn't from Metallica.

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Originally Posted by Ambival

Sepultura "stole" Korn's sound on Roots with Korn's permission (guest apperances of Jonathan Davis and David Silveria), so Korn might have been flattered because of that.

That's why I mentioned reciprocal influence. My point was that Sepultura were an influence on Korn first.

Unknown Soldier · 01-12-2014, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambival

Well, I may be mistaken about Slayer copying Metallica, but Kerry King's words "[Show No Mercy] is "****in' Iron Maiden here and there" give me the impression that still some some copying was present, but is that really a bad thing? Sepultura "stole" Korn's sound on Roots with Korn's permission (guest apperances of Jonathan Davis and David Silveria), so Korn might have been flattered because of that. I truly think that Godsmack was heavily inspired by Alice in chains and all those similiarities are simply a homage.

There's a very fine line between stealing and borrowing and I guess the way to decide what is what, is to think have the band blended what they've copied into their own sound or just made an obvious copy.

Also a lot of bands like Metallica and Slayer came from the same scene and would've bounced ideas of each other, as that's how movements and scenes grow and develop in music and as Janszoon said above it's reciprocal.

01-12-2014, 09:09 AM	#152 (permalink)
Puffnstuff Symphonic Metal Junkie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 136	Well Godsmack isn't nu-metal they're alternative metal and I happen to like them. I'm not a big fan of nu-metal myself however there are a couple of exceptions. I can say the same thing about death metal. __________________ I love symphonic metal. http://www.last.fm/user/Puffnstuff

01-12-2014, 04:31 PM	#156 (permalink)
Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	Why are people saying Sepultura stole Korn's sound? There may have been some reciporical influence later on, but Sepultura is the much older band and was clearly an influence on Korn's debut. Edit: Also, Slayer copying early Metallica? Come on. __________________ A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man Time & Place 25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die last.fm

01-12-2014, 11:32 AM	#153 (permalink)
Ambival Groupie Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 6	There is a very thin line between inspiration and plagiarism. Godsmack (especially Sully) has strong emotions for Alice in chains, thus some (intentional) similarities are present. Same thing is with probably the most "inspiring" (in the bad sense, see plagiarism) band in the world - KoRn. It's easy to say, that the act of ripping their style, sound, lyrics and even decisions quite frankly gave birth to Nu metal. It started with debuts of Coal Chamber, kittie, Nothingface and Sepultura's Roots. Downtuned guitars, easy, groovy, but nevertheless heavy riffs, Angst in lyrics, lack of solos (only recently solos became a small part of Nu metal bands. I'm not talking about the groups, which only flirted with Nu metal - Slayer, Sepultura etc.). All of these are present in the whole Nu metal scene.

01-12-2014, 12:15 PM	#154 (permalink)
Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	Godsmack stole riffs, their name, album names, album covers, song names, lyrics, style and their logo from Alice In Chains. Sepultura "stole" a guitar sound from Korn. What's funny is that Korn stole tons of riffs from Primus, which is definitely plagiarism. Oh, and you can guess which band was making music with downtuned instruments and heavy funk influence 4 years before Korn. Yup, that was Primus.

01-12-2014, 04:24 PM	#155 (permalink)
Ambival Groupie Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 6	the same can be said about Slayer copying early Metallica, Ozzy Osbourne copying John lennon's image (glasses) and style in some songs (No more tears), Future Doom metal bands copying the sound of "Black Sabbath" song etc. That's the way the whole art goes. Sepultura stole korn's sound, korn stole primus's sound, primus stole (or rather mixed) Pink Floyd and Rush's sound. If what you do is a DIRECT (not modificated in any significant way) copy of something else, then (and only then) it's plagiarism. While Avenged Sevenfold's song "This Means War" may be considered a rip off of Metallica's "Sad But True", notably different riffs, melody and lyrics may affect such view. I still consider it as a typical "inspired" song.

01-12-2014, 04:51 PM	#158 (permalink)
Ambival Groupie Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 6	Well, I may be mistaken about Slayer copying Metallica, but Kerry King's words "[Show No Mercy] is "****in' Iron Maiden here and there" give me the impression that still some some copying was present, but is that really a bad thing? Sepultura "stole" Korn's sound on Roots with Korn's permission (guest apperances of Jonathan Davis and David Silveria), so Korn might have been flattered because of that. I truly think that Godsmack was heavily inspired by Alice in chains and all those similiarities are simply a homage.